Posted on 01/28/2023 7:22:57 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
Amazing how different he is back then.
What a slime.
It is difficult to watch any video of him on an empty stomach.
It is difficult to watch any video of him on a full stomach.
“Be a shame if something bad happened to them all.”
I concur. In our surveillance society, it’s going to be tough.
Dig yer tagline.
Has anyone really gamed this out. If Russia nuked Kiev this afternoon what happens tomorrow?
More than likely, they will have an emergency meeting at the UN. A strongly worded letter will be issued. China will block any meaningful sanctions in the Security Counsel.
NATO can't respond with nukes since Ukraine is not part of NATO. The EU will will be scared to death of any escalation and will block any more assistance to Ukraine.
The coalition falls apart and the US and Biden are left standing there with a limp pecker. China senses the opportunity and moves on Taiwan.
Its like none of our leaders ever considers what happens tomorrow. I finding it hard to figure out why Russia hasn't nuked them already.
Yes. They think in some alternate reality that they can escalate to the roof and Putin will back into a corner whimpering.
They are living some superman fantasy.
Russia is way ahead of us on superweapons and they must know that, so I guess they think Russia won’t do it.
I always thought it is a curious contradiction how liberals despise America yet have infinite faith in its security and ability to create wealth.
Yes. https://www.cfr.org/article/if-russia-goes-nuclear-three-scenarios-ukraine-war and https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1017205/what-would-actually-happen-if-putin-hits-ukraine-with-tactical-nukes for example.
More than likely, they will have an emergency meeting at the UN. A strongly worded letter will be issued. China will block any meaningful sanctions in the Security Counsel.
Yes, at the United Nations that may be as far as it goes. However, what a lot of people interpreting the "support" Russia has at the UN tend to overlook is, several of Russia's allies (including Belarus and China) do have their red lines. Why? Because of what happened around the end of the Cold War.
Both those countries signed up to the principles founded in Helsinki 1975, Belovezha Accords (the ACTUAL first Minsk agreement, https://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/?pdf=CDL(1994)054-e) and the Budapest Memorandum. It's one thing to ask them to support Russia while Russia's pretending all it's doing is a limited "special military operation", quite another to be so obviously kick-starting a nuclear war by nuking a territory that Russia itself pledged to PROTECT in return for that country surrendering all nuclear weapons on its territory to Russia FOR DECOMMISSIONING.
Don't underestimate the diplomatic fallout of ANY state using nuclear weapons against a Budapest covered state (there are three: Belarus, Ukraine and Khazakstan) - anywhere else in the world it might get overlooked, but there were very specific reasons (advantaging Russia more than anybody else) why that agreement was signed. An awful lot of "not our problem" commentators in the USA really need to do some research into WHY that agreement is sacrosanct. Belovezha + Budapest in combination carry as much weight as the UN Charter and the NATO Article 5 - whereas the Baker statements about not expanding NATO east into USSR managed territory weren't even binding while the USSR still existed, and became totally irrelevant on the very first day all countries that were once in the Soviet Union were recognised both by Russia and by the United Nations as sovereign, independent nations.
NATO can't respond with nukes since Ukraine is not part of NATO. The EU will will be scared to death of any escalation and will block any more assistance to Ukraine.
The first part is only true if Ukraine nukes Kiev or any other part of Ukraine AND the fallout blows south/east. If fallout goes into NATO territory, of course NATO can respond - historically, NATO has been instrumental in respect of dealing with nuclear accidents and fallout. (https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_103234.htm).
Putin and his leadership can't make their minds up if they're at war with Ukraine or not, or are actually just warring on NATO and using their "brother" state of Ukraine as the battlefield. Watch China and Belarus - and CSTO, and the CIS states - all turn on Russia if it did something as stupid as nuke any part of Ukraine and sending a cloud of radioactivity across the border into NATO countries. The only way that Russia can nuke Ukraine without devastating repercussions is if it nukes the southeast of Ukraine - like the Donbas - and bears the brunt of the fallout. And at that point NATO and Kyiv can say "You know what, we've decided to recognize it as Russian after all, well done for nuking your own land, morons."
The coalition falls apart and the US and Biden are left standing there with a limp pecker.
This isn't QUITE what'll happen.
Eastern Europe has been predicting Putin's invasion of eastern Europe for over 15 years, they were totally unsurprised when he attacked Georgia, they've been warning Ukraine for over a decade that it'd be next, and that's why the Baltic states and Poland have put up far more as a proportion of their GDP and military stockpiles for Ukraine's defence than the USA has.
If Ukraine gets nuked, fallout flies west, and the USA walks away, pretty much all the rest of continental Europe including the UK (with the possible exceptions of Turkey, Serbia and Hungary) will unite. I doubt even Belarus' puppet regime would survive.
Of course the idea of the USA walking away is based on a pragmatic combination of false economies and the USA being the state furthest away from the conflict zone. Bluntly, you've got the luxury of saying "not our problem" when Poland, the Baltics, and every country in Europe that Russia's threatened to nuke doesn't have that luxury.
China senses the opportunity and moves on Taiwan.
The USA has far more compelling interests in Taiwan than in Ukraine. But good luck getting the world to rally behind you in defence of your interests in Taiwan if you walk away from what's happening in Europe. The EU, the UK, and others, won't be in any position to step up because of the war on their doorstep; those that still can afford to help the USA out will just say "It's the other side of the world, now how did you put it.... NOT OUR PROBLEM."
Its like none of our leaders ever considers what happens tomorrow. I finding it hard to figure out why Russia hasn't nuked them already.
Oh, I think they've been war-gaming it for decades, and the difference between them and you is they actually play out dozens if not hundreds of different scenarios instead of latching onto one that happens to be very politically expedient. The UK government for example knows perfectly well that Russia's REAL red lines are but two: a direct attack by NATO on Russian soil as defined by its pre-2014 borders, or a full deployment of NATO into Ukraine with the numbers, kit, arms on their side AND a mission to smash the RF, PMC Wagner and Kadyrov.
Russia hasn't nuked anyone already because it is doing the same calculations.
It knows if it nuclear fallout or a nuclear missile crosses into a NATO country as a result of Russia escalating to nuclear attack, Russia's three biggest cities could be reduced to dust within 48 hours. This leaves the leadership with a conundrum.
The only way Russia can survive a nuclear war against NATO is if it goes all in - launches the first strike, and launches against multiple targets. It can only survive the retaliation if it puts people in shelters... and the minute it starts doing that it'll lose the element of surprise. So if it goes pre-emptive, we all get a warning that they're crossing the point of no return.
It therefore doesn't matter if NATO escapes the nuclear fallout or does get successfully nuked; Russia is still guaranteed to lose its three biggest cities from the minute it starts prepping to launch.
How can Russia launch a nuclear attack and NOT end up being turned into glass? Only one way really; nuke "occupied" Ukraine or detonate one over the sea. Basically, Russia could win a nuke fight provided it nukes Ukraine's territory that it's been claiming is theirs; nuking anything else would be like playing Russian Roulette with bullets in five of six chambers.
Secretaries Blinken and Austin discussion with Biden:
“Now that we are in WWIII we need to hit them with everything we have, while their pants are down, and they don’t expect it. We have to do it before they launch theirs. Look, we’re not saying that we won’t get our feather ruffled a bit, but we are only talking about no more than 80 to 100 million dead. That’s tops. If we act now, we can win this.”
This very same discussion is going on in Moscow.
Probably. There are nutjobs on both sides of the Atlantic.
The ones in charge, though, don’t want to be running a scrapyard. The one thing that makes me laugh like a hyena is this dimwitted notion that all those billionaires in the WEF want to run a world where all their best customers have been nuked.
They want to OWN the world and RUN the world, and maybe they do want a massive reduction in the population, but it really doesn’t mean they want to spend the next fifty years being stuck in a bunker with annoying, super-rich people and inhaling each others’ farts because they can’t risk opening the doors.
(Nuclear war fun!)
Here comes the Great Reset and Population Reduction
✝️🙏🛐
Joe Biden couldn’t admit to anything. He does not know anything and would not understand it if he did.
The US and Europe have sent weapons, not sent combat units. Russia sent weapons to Vietnam, the US sent weapons to the Afghanistan Mujaheddin. Neither the US or Russia threatened nuclear war over it.
There were two parts to what Biden said, the weapons and the crews. Jones is talking leaving off what not sending soldiers means. The goal is to avoid a direct military confrontation with Russia, while still aiding Ukraine.
We are sending weapons, not soldiers, because soldiers are not necessary.
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