Pentagon Will Increase Artillery Production Sixfold for Ukraine

New York Times ^ | Jan. 24, 2023 | John Ismay and Eric Lipton

[Salvavida]

That was never part of the Russian plan. Now, that may have changed because the West. Russia has already won; it will manifest itself in a couple of months, if not sooner.

[38special]

This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no fooling around.

[Gaffer]

This is insane madness

[Lonely Are The Brave]

The West Is Incentivizing Russia To Hit Back
Caitlin Johnstone
Jan 26

>> https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/the-west-is-incentivizing-russia

[Nervous Tick]

>> In my limited imagination, warmongers are empire builders who conquer and annex territory, then use its inhabitants as cannon fodder.

That’s accurate, and it defines YOU. You are clearly a globalist deep state true believer. You are allied with the Euro-state seeking one world government and working diligently (if ruthlessly) to build your globalist empire. You covet Ukraine to be added to it, and you are fine with using innocents in both Russia and Ukraine as cannon fodder in your proxy war to achieve your one-world goals. You show your alignment in other ways, such as being just fine with the invasion at our southern border. As with the Ukrainian people and the Russian people, the misery of the American people does not concern you — we are just more cannon fodder to be expended in your ideological empire-building.

[glorgau]

> This is insane madness

This is Sparta!

;-)

[Honorary Serb]

And we fight Satan whenever we say the Lord’s Prayer properly—

“....and deliver us from the evil one”!!!!

[M_Continuum]

The WEF isn’t powerless, it’s power lies in it’s members and their ability to contribute to the agenda.
Fees: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/01/who-pays-for-davos/
How they work:
https://www.weforum.org/communities/forum-members
Bilderberg isn’t secret either. In 2019 Trump sent Pompeo and Kushner:
https://www.thelocal.ch/20190602/pompeo-attends-secretive-bilderberg-meeting-in-switzerland
Here’s a list of all who attended in 2019:
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/meetings/meeting-2019/participants-2019
Here’s is Bilderberg’s Agenda for 2019:
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/meetings/meeting-2019/press-release-2019
Bilderberg 1954 and WEF 1971. They are essentially the right and left hand. The only ‘secret’ part of Bilderberg is that attendees are not allowed to share the discussions that occur during the meeting.
The media does like to push them as top secret and full of supervillains because folks love their fear porn and they don’t keep up on what’s driving agendas via politicians. In actuality you can see all attendees and the agenda every year.

[Paul R.]

I would think production would (and should*) be much more automated now.

*One of my engr. prof’s back in college had worked for an artillery shell mfgr. before he decided to become a prof. Very little automation back then. Very high stress job — that’s why he left to teach, for less money.

[gleeaikin]

“Why is it our business when people in other parts of the world do that concern their sovereignty (or lack thereof) and their future?”

We tried for 2 or more years to stay out of WW1 & 2. Eventually we decided we had to prevent Europe from falling. Once we learned the extent of the German horror in WW2, I think very few doubted that decision. Russia has done some nasty things to prisoners and captive populations. War crimes trials should prove interesting.

[rottweiller_inc]

I wouldn’t be too wishful for war crimes trials Because they are done by the winner it’s the winner who defines what’s a crime And even by current definitions the United States is guilty of them same thing

[Paul R.]

Unguided artillery won’t be of much help for Taiwan.

OTOH, we do now have a maneuverable shell that can take out fast moving naval craft. Just the thing to slice and dice an amphibious assault B4 it even gets close...

[dila813]

day late, dollar short....so much for them folding in 48hrs...

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Zhang Fei.

[Cronos]

That (making Ukraine a vassal state) was clearly the Kremlin's plan.

The success of the Georgian war in 2008 was a great inspiration for Putin. The balance of power had obviously shifted in Eastern Europe. The West seemed to let Russia take care of nationalist trouble spots in it neighborhood

The West looked the other way in 2014 when Putin took over Crimea and created the "frozen conflict" in the Donbas

The Kremlin made Belarus and Georgia as vassal states in line with Putin's statements of the early 2000s lamenting the collapse of the USSR (as the "greatest tragedy of the 20th century")

This was apparent in the way they targeted the capital and expected a walkover after they had captured or chased away the President of Ukraine

The Russian plan to make Ukraine a vassal state failed

[Cronos]

Salavida Russia has already won; it will manifest itself in a couple of months, if not sooner.

Sorry, but are you stuck in March 2022?

Let's look at the map of Ukraine on March 15th 2022

Compared to January

As you can see the parts under Russian control are pushed back steadily

That is a clear sign of Russia losing

Let's look also at the destruction of Russian equipment - their tank losses, aircraft losses, personnel loses and even Black sea fleet's flagship - all gone. Russia is now reduced to firing anti-aircraft carrier missiles as they lost the ability to built more sophisticated missiles due to sanctions

Next, the Russian economy is built on extraction and on the military-industrial complex. For the former, they are selling at 40%+ discounts to India and China, but no more.

Their military sales have been massively and will be massively hit by the very visible poor showing of Russian-made equipment. Yes, yes, a lot of this is logistics, but what shows is that Russian equipment is blown up. Sales have dried and will not be coming back

Over 1 million Russians have left in the past year to escape the mobilization. People try to compare it to Vietnam, but the total number of draft dodgers were 570K over years in a country twice the size.

Overall Russia is losing -- Putin is destroying Russia

[Cronos]

Yes, it is insane. Putin seems to have gotten a bad case of hubris in his old age

[Cronos]

NT - why the personal attacks on ZF? I don’t see him attacking your personally.

“covet Ukraine to be added to it” — the local Ukrainians don’t want to part of Putin and Xi’s globalist one-world Russo-Chinese empire.

The misery of the Russian people is caused by Putin - in his 22 years of dictatorship, he has wasted the oil and gas dividend, used it to line his and his oligarch’s pockets, while not building the substantial human capital Russia had — the smartest Russians left as the cards were stacked against them in Russia.

Ukraine was as corrupt as Russia, but had been moving away from that. At least they had somewhat fair elections and people were hoping for more actions against corruption. Putin couldn’t let an East Slavic state become a proper republic - as that would be too much of an inspiration for the Russian people and they would get rid of him and his cronies

[Cronos]

cronos post 108 It's your business to prevent a world war, which is what the supply of arms to Ukraine is doing

This is 1938 again, andinstead of the west giving up Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany, the west is arming Czechoslovakia and the Czechs are giving the Nazis a bloody eye >

That would and is preventing a war in which westerners get killed and saving the Czechs from years of servitude and persecution

rottweiller post 110 Oh I agree oh hardly we should stay out of it we should stay out of it

Again, I point out the analogy to 1938 -- the USA, UK and France "stayed out of" Hitler's dismemberment of Czechoslovakia. They were wrong. By "staying out", they only increased the cost of American, British and French lives and money.

If the USA repeated that mistake again, it would be more lives lost

[hopespringseternal]

Actually what got the US into world war 2 was the intervention on the other side of the world in the Pacific, and it was far less than what has happened in Ukraine.

But even that was driven more by the monumental stupidity of Japan’s leaders who felt like they had a divine right to conquer the world using US oil.