Posted on 01/25/2023 9:33:01 AM PST by shadowlands1960
The decision to move forward with providing the tanks marks a reversal for the Biden administration, which had been resisting pressure from Germany to send them to Ukraine.
President Joe Biden on Wednesday announced that the United States is sending 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine in its war against Russia.
The U.S. will also provide the necessary training and supplies needed to operate and run these tanks, he said.
NBC News reported the development Tuesday.
The president said sending the tanks will "enhance Ukraine’s capacity to defend its territory and achieve its strategic objectives" because they are "the most capable tanks in the world.”
"That’s what this is about — helping Ukraine defend and protect Ukrainian land. It is not an offensive threat to Russia, there is no offensive threat to Russia," the president said.
During a background call previewing Biden’s remarks, senior administration officials said the announcement is “very much a continuation of our effort to provide Ukraine with the capabilities that they need to continue to better defend themselves.”
“And it’s also in keeping with that representative of a long term, long term commitment that we have to Ukraine’s defense needs,” a senior administration official said.
(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...
You’re still a coward.
Let the Germans send their diesel Leopards there, not our finicky Abrams. Hell, have Israel send their Merkava as well, I’ve heard a lot of good things about them and since we have to fund rebuilding the losses they suffer anyway they are a lot cheaper than our Abrams to replace as well.
I am confused.
I thought that the Russians were winning. I thought there is going to be half a million screaming Russians pouring into Eastern Ukraine in weeks. I thought the Russians were going to roll right up to the river and end this thing.
Why then, are the Russians worried about a couple of tanks—to the point where they would use nukes?
Your arguments don’t make any sense.
Nobody is winning.
The military-industrial complex is winning.
Think I heard the one Abrams tank is equalivent to a division of Ukrainian tanks. Our enemies would love to get their hands on one. Wonder what the going price is on one of them.
Heard (I think two weeks ago) that Ukrainian crews have been sent to US for training.
Funny how that perspective changes based on the thread. Because that’s not what I’ve been reading when the Putin Puffers are raging all day long.
send stacey abrams instead!
then they will have to feed her and go broke.
not our monkeys,not our circus.
just one nuke could ruin your whole day.
I heard Putin is negotiating with the Taliban to buy some...
[to total New World Order]
It will definitely come. I’m sorry to say.
Daniel 7:23
New King James Version
23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+7%3A23&version=NKC
I agree
Ezekiel 38 does seem to be on the horizon IMHO
I don’t see us a ‘the world’s cops’ - IF China was moving in on South American - or Canada was attacked or Valenzuela started working with Russia or if our borders were broken and we were being invaded by millions of third world economic refugees THEN I COULD SEE RISKING WAR.
But for Ukraine? No, we don’t have the money, man power or strategic interest for getting involved.
You are right that now I am making the assumption that our military isn’t entirely woke and broke.
But historically speaking, we were very smart about these sort of things. We can’t predict every need perfectly, but it is exactly our logistics and war industrial base which made us prevail in many of these conflicts, like WWII.
The soldiers we fight in many of these wars are just as willing to die for their country as I was, my father or grandfather... Some were probably tougher and meaner, maybe even more experienced at least in the beginning of the war. But NO-ONE could shit a P-51 Mustang in a matter of 6 months (blueprint to full scale production), no one can squeeze out almost 4,000 B-29s in the war (truly the most capable bomber of the entire war - forget jets, bla bla bla, junk), nuclear bombs, at the peak of the war we were building 1 aircraft carrier per month!
Go to Google earth and put in these coordinates: 40°11’46.62” N 120°08’44.90” W (that stuff is being kept serviceable) Not counting the stuff afloat, on installations, just the fixed site depots: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/depot-army.htm
We have depots with tanks, 113s, Bradley’s, M109s, ammo, trucks, HMMWVs, as far as the eye can see, literally. We have something like 8,000 M1’s, in excess of 12,000,000,000 rounds of 7.62 alone in storage, not counting 556, 50 cal... or what is currently being used for training or carried by those deployed... Some of the 155mm shells going to Ukraine are coming from our depots in Israel, like 300,000 shells. When we decided to get rid of our chem weapons years ago we pulled 100,000 155mm chem shells from one depot at Miesau (GE) alone.
***Why do I say all of this? This is our game! The Russians are pitting their war industrial base against ours. They will ultimately succeed in Ukraine when we decide to call it quits, but they CANNOT keep us with us and today the balance is even more dilapidated than in the Cold War where they lost for the same reason (Reagan outspending them). This is sucking the life out of them.***
We clobber folks with our industry and tech. Lend-Lease in WWII for the UK and Russia kept them alive. The Russians may deny that once we no longer liked each other, but it’s a fact. How do you fight someone if you’re the Germans or Japanese in WWII that can produce >49,200 medium (not counting heavy and light) tanks in 4 years? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_Sherman
There is a movie scene which puts this in perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owbCW5jBQZc
***If it were US troops dying right now in Ukraine, you would have a huge political fight on your hand. The negative news of casualties, lost ground, captured, wounded, forced conscription, stories of corruption, political elites making sure their immediate family don’t get drafted, some of the abuses would be dominating the news.***
But in this case we have someone else doing the bleeding and all we do is keep supplying them with weapons, ammo, missiles, armored vehicles, artillery shells... and that we can do very well.
When you read stories like this, it’s nothing: https://freerangeamerican.us/ukraine-ammunition/ A drop in the bucket. Our defense industry has it’s own production (ATK) and one plant can squeeze out 1.6 billion rounds per year of 762 alone: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/atk-delivers-2-billion-762mm-rounds-to-the-us-army-from-the-lake-city-army-ammunition-plant-lcaap-169607006.html
I do not agree with this war (needless and Russia is NOT our #1 threat - this is a sad war where two nations are mauling each other and both have a lot to offer the world), but if we’re going to have it, this is the way to do it and as sick as his words are IMHO, he is right: https://twitter.com/colonelhomsi/status/1609642934244200448
This is a situation where we can exploit our strength: economic might in the macro, war industrial capacity, resources, high tech., massive stockpiles, the capabilities of our allies (UK, Germany, Korea, Japan...) and there is NO WAY the Russians can keep up.
Just my 2 cents.
When this is finished, Russia will be in a far weaker position even if they accomplish their military and political objectives in Ukraine.
This is depleting them, not us.
The whole point in this is to weaken us. When are people are going to wake up and understand this part of a plan. Every move they make is.
Don’t we have any left over Ronsons?
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