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What's afoot?

US/NATO/Germany starting to hear the warnings from Moscow? Coming to their senses?

I question the political will of the west. They have no interests, much less existential interests in Ukraine. And the price is quite high.

1 posted on 01/20/2023 12:17:55 PM PST by Mariner
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With the Liberation of Soledar, things are moving much more quickly than just a few weeks ago. If the Ukrainians are being told to wait several months before trying to take Russian land, there may not be much of their country left to launch an offensive from.


2 posted on 01/20/2023 12:26:08 PM PST by BobL
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“The official...said the United States was holding fast to its decision not to provide Abrams tanks to Ukraine at this time”

Euronews this week said over 200 Abrams tanks arrived in Poland this week and they showed video of them on trains heading for the Ukrainian border.


3 posted on 01/20/2023 12:26:10 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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Got to do just enough to keep it going but never enough to win. It’s so...familiar somehow.


4 posted on 01/20/2023 12:26:30 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (The only way to secure your own future is to create it yourself. 111 is the key.)
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they need to simply keep ambushing them, if they gather in one spot for an all-out attack, they will be wiped out.

Hit and Run, destroy supply lines, take out command and control this is how you bleed Russia to death. And a few hits on critical infrastructure within Russia to boot!


5 posted on 01/20/2023 12:31:31 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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Why would Ukraine wait? While Russia is getting in their reinforcements?


7 posted on 01/20/2023 12:34:53 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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Putting off an offensive may lead to your getting pounded by your opponents offensive. Ukraine will soon regret getting in bed with the US government.


9 posted on 01/20/2023 12:38:21 PM PST by CodeJockey ("The duty of a true Patriot is to protect his country from its government.” –Thomas Paine)
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Who’s the US advisor, Gen McClellan?


10 posted on 01/20/2023 12:38:44 PM PST by GMThrust
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What's afoot?

Maybe Germany is changing sides.

14 posted on 01/20/2023 12:54:39 PM PST by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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To: Mariner
I question the political will of the west.


17 posted on 01/20/2023 1:09:04 PM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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The winter has been very warm in Southern Ukraine, so attacks away from roadways will lack success. Bahkmut is under operational encirclement notwithstanding 90,000 or so AFU troops reinforcing. RF is advancing or probing on the Krasny Liman front against some pretty strong resistance. RF is advancing rapidly in the Zapporizia front on Ohrkiv, pinning and perhaps overunning 6 AFU brigades. So if the AFU were to advance on Melitopol, where would they get the troops?

That Abrams has a very bright heat signature and wouldn’t last much longer after they fire up. The US does not want to degrade the reputation of this vehicle with its ancient Powerplant. The US would rather see Leopard 2s go to UKR, where they will go up in flames as their service deployment reflects due to inadequate armor. Clearly, the Germans don’t want that.

The Abrams and Leopard 2s are not being sent for sales reasons.


22 posted on 01/20/2023 3:25:55 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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