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To my Republican friends: the only proposal you should be considering on Social Security & Medicare is ending mass unskilled migration in order to protect these programs for American Seniors who paid into them
Stephen Miller ^ | Jan 12 2023 | Stephen Miller

Posted on 01/12/2023 10:08:32 PM PST by 6thavenue

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To: 6thavenue

You just can’t be serious about being fiscally conservative without deep cuts in entitlement spending. You can cut all foreign aid and military and it won’t be a drop in the bucket compared to SS/Medicare.

It’ll happen one way or another, the only way for the geezers to escape it is to die first. This ponzi scheme will eventually collapse.


21 posted on 01/13/2023 12:23:03 AM PST by Portnoy001
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To: Portnoy001; Wuli

Ok now do EBT, WIC, Medicaid, TANF, HEAP, TAP, PELL, Legal Aid, CSEU, Section 8...


22 posted on 01/13/2023 1:32:57 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Amount of "child" support paid is inversely proportionate to mother's actual parenting of children)
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To: 6thavenue
"...curb military adventurism..."

Wilson was a so-called progressive and campaigned on keeping us out of the war before the realization that we had no such choice within reason. Look into that. Read some real history. If we allow our enemies to build up further without preparing our forces and stopping their expansionism, it will be our last mistake. And their expansions can happen very quickly.

I agree about Social Security, though. Dig into the demographics of those who want to shut it down (and of their closest family members), and you'll see what government expenditures really need to be cut (the revenues that are squandered on them).

23 posted on 01/13/2023 1:51:24 AM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: 6thavenue

I’d like to see an actuary run the numbers on a “no new customers” approach on SS:

Pick a cutoff day.

-Anyone already on SS continues as usual w/COLA.

-Anyone who paid in and not retired yet, gets what they would based on what they’ve paid so far when they retire, using same calculations w/annual adjustments/COLA as always.

-Anyone who hasn’t paid in yet, gets nothing.

-Money needed at the tail end when the fund runs out comes from general fund.

-As the number of people in and to be in the plan diminishes, so does the number of gov employees working in the program.

How long does the SS fund last w/this method?

No changes to SS, like any other socialist program, means it just grows without bound. People eventually have to choose between their government check and totalitarianism.


24 posted on 01/13/2023 1:52:47 AM PST by fruser1
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To: 6thavenue

Before you go considering the myth about mass unskilled labor saving Medicare and Social Security, what you need to consider is stopping under-the-table cash payments and use of ITINs as a means for wage payments in lieu of a W-2.

The second thing you need to consider is chain migration of old people who are relatives of newly migrated entrants and allowing them to take advantage of reciprocal retirement accounts/systems in order to get on Social Security.

The third thing you need to consider is the strain placed on local, state and federal support systems (i.e., schools and the increased numbers of teachers, strain on school meal programs, and strain on local county healthcare support systems).


25 posted on 01/13/2023 1:58:54 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 6thavenue

Some employers see the national and business benefits from matching Social Security contributions for their employees. Other employers (and some government administrators) would rather see a U.S.A. that is more like the “old country” of their recent ancestors’ past.


26 posted on 01/13/2023 2:04:52 AM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: 6thavenue

Another consideration that might help is that most legal resident immigrants work and pay into Social Security. Many of them earn and contribute much.


27 posted on 01/13/2023 2:13:49 AM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Wuli
Sorry, I am all for massive cuts of general federal expenditures, but (a) social security taxes do not go for those expenditures now

I’m pretty sure this is completely false. Social Security (FICA) taxes are supposedly paid into a trust fund, but that trust fund (remember Al Gore’s infamous “lock box” proposal from the 2000 campaign) has been raided for years to cover up deficits in other areas of the Federal government.

28 posted on 01/13/2023 2:23:21 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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To: 6thavenue
Every $ you put in has been spent already via people who you voted for.
Medicare and SS are fiscal abomination programs used for vote buying schemes. If you are honest and for limited government you should at least acknowledge in today's world, tapping into to those programs should begin at age 82. Quit stealing from future generations and take responsibility for believing in vote buying schemes that are financially insolvent.

Gut/privatized and then get rid of the Stark laws/regulations. Next, hammer insurance companies and the medical industrial complex in driving cost down. Only insure catastrophic care, the rest through basic supply/demand plus a reasonable price point. Competition will figure that out. These massive up-charges are caused by Medicare/insurance. Again, quit stealing from the future, you are using debt policies to get subsidized via compound interest and inflation which you don't pay into. Also you are propping up big government which leads to more. You can't cherry pick huge programs that require a large amount of resources to operate/oversee like SS and Medicare/Medicaid, the masses will just clamor for more. You also can't cherry pick what the voters want, especially the majority that want a strong central government and the policies/programs you want to get rid of.

29 posted on 01/13/2023 2:42:41 AM PST by rollo tomasi
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To: 6thavenue

“Seniors in my family and friends - registered Republicans - will vote against a Republican party that “can’t afford” to fund Social Security for Americans but can afford to fund Zelensky pension in Ukraine.”

So true. Republican politicians need to stop lying awake at night trying to think up ways to be stupid.


30 posted on 01/13/2023 3:37:08 AM PST by odawg
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To: 6thavenue

Illegals and immigrants shouldn’t get money from Social Security
People who don’t pay in for a min of 30 years shouldn’t receive, unless they filled jointly(married)
Every year you live on the government between 18-65 adds one year to qualify for Social Security. (10 years on welfare means 75 for benefits)

That fixes part of the solvency, but unless the people force a balanced budget amendment, you won’t fix the inflation that will kill it anyway.


31 posted on 01/13/2023 3:48:45 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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To: 6thavenue

Amen to that.


32 posted on 01/13/2023 3:48:48 AM PST by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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To: 6thavenue

We don’t have elections anymore.


33 posted on 01/13/2023 3:53:04 AM PST by mewzilla (We will never restore the republic if we don't first secure the ballot box.)
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To: 6thavenue

Dear Stephen,

Open borders is your program. Its those of SS that have to pay because of your ideology.


34 posted on 01/13/2023 4:11:40 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: 6thavenue

50% tax on remittances to fund SS.


35 posted on 01/13/2023 4:30:15 AM PST by nonliberal (Z.)
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To: 6thavenue
Rip gen x, y, z etc. The debt burden will only go up, and the siren call of more socialism will creep up heading into a recession.

The debts of the past will destroy the future.

36 posted on 01/13/2023 5:04:09 AM PST by Theoria
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To: 6thavenue
Boost revenue? Tariff China all imports.

Fixed it.

37 posted on 01/13/2023 5:06:26 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Lean-Right
Illegals in low skilled jobs don't pay any net taxes. What they pay in payroll taxes they get back in Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC).
38 posted on 01/13/2023 5:10:48 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: 6thavenue

Love Steve Miller!


39 posted on 01/13/2023 5:11:06 AM PST by Track9 (You are far too inquisitive not to be seduced…)
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To: 6thavenue

diversity and open borders are the sledgehammers the communists used to tear down Western Christendom. And now here we are with tranny story hour and communists ruling over us.


40 posted on 01/13/2023 5:12:41 AM PST by imabadboy99
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