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To: Lazamataz

In his first TS post, Trump wrote “allows” (present tense) not “allowed” (past tense). He’s clearly demanding to be declared the rightful winner or else hold a new election, neither of which is allowed under our Constitution or present laws. Seems pretty clear to me he meant what he said:

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“So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!” [Dec 03, 2022, 7:44 AM]
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If he meant “allowed” and meant the crooked Dems had scrapped the Constitution, why didn’t he clarify and say so, especially given all the uproar? But he didn’t. He doubled down:

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“UNPRECEDENTED FRAUD REQUIRES UNPRECEDENTED CURE!” [Dec 03, 2022, 3:44 PM]
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And then he continued to double down:

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“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to “terminate” the Constitution. This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their other HOAXES & SCAMS. What I said was that when there is “MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,” as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG. Only FOOLS would disagree with that and accept STOLEN ELECTIONS. MAGA!” [Dec 05, 2022, 12:43 PM]

“SIMPLY PUT, IF AN ELECTION IS IRREFUTABLY FRAUDULENT, IT SHOULD GO TO THE RIGHTFUL WINNER OR, AT A MINIMUM, BE REDONE. WHERE OPEN AND BLATANT FRAUD IS INVOLVED, THERE SHOULD BE NO TIME LIMIT FOR CHANGE!” [Dec 05, 2022, 1:06 PM]

“WE WANT PEOPLE WHO “LEGITIMATELY” WON THE ELECTION TO LEAD OUR COUNTRY, NOT PEOPLE WHO HAD TO CHEAT IN ORDER TO WIN!!!” [Dec 05, 2022, 1:51 PM]
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The trouble is, there is no Constitutional path to install him as “the rightful winner”. And no path to holding a redo of a presidential election, either, which Trump says is his second choice. The Electors voted, the votes were duly counted and recorded. End of story, according to the Constitution (which makes no mention of a popular presidential election).

So what are we supposed to do, given there is no Constitutional remedy? There’s always a new Declaration, but who is going to “take up arms?” as Jefferson said? The Founding Fathers knew they had to muster up an army “and hang together or they would surely hang apart”. For sedition. I don’t see any army of angry citizens forming. Not even a mob with torches and pitchforks.

NB! I am in no way suggesting anyone take up arms! Far from it!

It’s hard to wrap one’s head around the fact that Trump is demanding an extra-Constitutional solution, but there it is in his own words. It’s so tempting to “fix it” in our minds and interpret it as you and others have done, but it seems to me it is what it is, as unbelievable as it is.

If he ever comes out with a clarification and assures us he meant it as you said, it was still colossally stupid. For one thing, the Dems will still use it to brand him “a danger to democracy”, and cry “insurrection” and “sedition” and “fascist”. For another, the timing: Musk had just handed Trump a big shiny gift all tied up with a pretty bow. It had crowded out the hoopla over the stupid Kanye stunt. It should have been the talk of the net and the talking heads (in the conservative media, at least, and they should have been throwing a party). But Trump threw that hunk of excrement into the punch bowl and distracted from the Twitter revelations instead.

And speaking of accusations of “insurrection” and “sedition”, Trump has now thrown the Jan6 protesters under the bus. The Dems can now say “See? We told you so. Overthrow of the government, insurrection, sedition!” And it will be nearly impossible to defend against those false accusations now.

Trump just keeps on keeping on shooting himself in both feet while supplying grenades to his enemies. I am done twisting myself into a pretzel to defend him. Sadly, at this point, I don’t think he is electable in the general in 2024 .


53 posted on 12/06/2022 5:44:14 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd; Lazamataz
In his first TS post, Trump wrote “allows” (present tense) not “allowed” (past tense).

This is clearly the correct literary interpretation of what he was intending to say. The word he chose was present, or future tense. He was projecting an event to come in the present or future, specifically "the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

Those attempting to defend Trump are trying to change the tense of the sentence into past tense. They are trying to changed the word "allows" to either "allowed" or even a completed different word or phrase like "resulted in."

Not to mention the incorrect past tense interpretations ignore the future tense context of the entire paragraph and previous sentence, whereby he talks about his desired outcomes in the future of "throw out the results of the 2020 Presidential election" or "have a new election" both of which would require to do something unConstitutional.

The trouble is, there is no Constitutional path to install him as “the rightful winner”. And no path to holding a redo of a presidential election, either, which Trump says is his second choice ... So what are we supposed to do, given there is no Constitutional remedy?

He doesn't say (or probably even know), even in his posts the next day, where he only says "steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG." Again, this is all future tense, and obviously verifies he was speaking in the future tense originally.

Most importantly, he didn't come back in his supposed clarifying comments and validate what those supporting him on this claim he originally MEANT to say, in that the Democrats were the ones who circumvented the Constitution. He doesn't even allude to that. He spends basically 3 more posts demanding a new election, all future tense, and all unconstitutional.

This is the biggest rope he's given anyone yet. Expect them to use it.

62 posted on 12/06/2022 6:14:04 AM PST by Golden Eagle (The LGBTQ agenda is designed to outlaw the Bible, and anyone who follows it.)
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To: CatHerd
Trump has now thrown the Jan6 protesters under the bus.

Really?

"Trump stands firm with the Capitol rioters"

73 posted on 12/06/2022 6:42:59 AM PST by MikelTackNailer (Certain people high up need to be testing ropes while they're up there.)
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To: CatHerd

Well said.


153 posted on 12/06/2022 12:46:55 PM PST by e_castillo
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