Posted on 11/23/2022 10:03:15 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
A controversial new proposal to ban diesel-powered trucks in California has sparked a divisive debate among the trucking industry, the state and environmentalists.
The California Air Resources Board has laid out an ambitious plan to eventually force all diesel truck fleets off the road, with varying timelines. This includes mandating that all new trucks operating around busy railways and ports be zero-emission vehicles by 2024; phasing out all diesel trucks from those areas by 2035; and eventually taking every diesel truck and bus fleet off California roads by 2045, where feasible.
The proposed Advance Clean Fleets regulation first targets the busiest trucking areas in the state — around warehouses, sea ports and railways. The board says the pollution in these areas affects communities disproportionately.
"Many California neighborhoods, especially Black and Brown, low-income and vulnerable communities, live, work, play and attend schools adjacent to the ports, railyards, distribution centers, and freight corridors and experience the heaviest truck traffic," the board wrote, adding that this pollution causes health risks to those communities.
At a recent hearing on the issue in Sacramento, over 150 public commenters voiced divisive opinions on the proposal.
Meanwhile, environmentalists, including a representative from the Sierra Club, urged that the timeline be expedited to rid the roads of internal combustion engines sooner rather than later.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
I looked up an all-electric semi. Kenworth has one that has an operating range of 150 miles, “depending the application.”. It’s 256 miles from Needles to Los Angeles, so the Kenworth can’t make it from the border to the coast without at least one charge, “depending on the application.”
Since they are targeting certain areas for zero-emission goals, will there be staging areas where there would be a handoff of freight between diesel and electric trucks going to and from the ports?
Either eay, I can’t wait to see this works out, or doesn’t work out.
Indeed
Truly, one cannot fix stupid
And the stupid keep getting elected by the stupid
Again? They announced similar plans around 2003 and 2008.
(Kalifornia politicians are living in a utopian la-la world where all of their visions turn out happily ever after)
It works in the movies!!!
C’mon man!!!
Truckers should go on an immediate strike- and let californium see what banning them will mean! I’ll bet that peopel will be screaming over lack of food and products that california will fine the gas vehicle truckers for not delivering on their contracts- even though they wanna ban them-
So you know what horses do when hitched to a dray wagon or buggy? They hoist their tails a little and drop road apples.
Road apples were a particular form of pollution that very nearly strangled many cities before the introduction of hydrocarbon fueled vehicles. Never mind the logistics, it would be near impossible to restore horse and wagon transportation in any urban locality today. No room for stables, no means of transporting in the ENORMOUS quantities of hay and oats to keep the horses fed, and no means of disposing of the literally mountains of horse dung that accumulate. And the effort that would have to be directed at the training, grooming and health care of the horses, plus the army of team drivers of every one of these hitches, and the management of THEIR training and employment support activities.
We shall be relying on hydrocarbon fuels for the movement of our goods and delivery of services for decades to come. Battery-powered electric vehicles are a niche product, unsuited to the demands of an economic environment for the mass movement of all the items of daily use in households everywhere. We still do not have the infrastructure for developing a hydrogen economy, neither the electrical power generation and distribution capability, nor the hubs and pipelines necessary to distribute the hydrogen once extracted by the electrolysis of water.
If only there were a way to generate the electrical power needed for motive power for an electric vehicle that was compact enough to put it right on board the vehicle...
Naw, that is an impossible dream.
You're right. It's a Deepwater port. It shouldn't be that difficult to get a bunch of American engineers over. A few American investors. Now you have a brand new port.
“looked up an all-electric semi. Kenworth has one that has an operating range of 150 miles”
Is that range for hauling a fully loaded trailer ???? We have already seen through various tests that electric battery range decreases rapidly with the more weight hauled. Decrease in range can exceed 70%, potentially turning the 150 mile range into 45 miles. Add in driving up steep hills and it gets even worse.
Whatever Mexican ports exist on the west side...will absorb most of the California traffic by 2035. I see California as mostly just a marginalized state, with no real income other than the sale of drugs.
I figure it isn’t fully-loaded, and “depending on the application” is Kenworth’s way of admitting that the range is likely to be a lot less than 150 miles taking into account the load, terrain, and driving conditions.
Looks like I will have to expedite my Rubicon trip.
Soon the only off reading will be on bikes and horses!
I used to make a joke, and provide a good example, by stating we should subsidize the horseshoe industry. Solar and wind ‘power’ cannot survive without taxpayer money, government subsidies. We could pour tons of money into horseshoes, but only a few would actually use horseshoes.
Now, with Kalifornia trying to ban almost every type of abundant energy, maybe horses and horseshoes will make a comeback. I can just see it now, a covered wagon with the Amazon Logo on the side.
Dig up the roads into the State. Just a hundred feet will do.
Do it! Today!
” If I were president of Mexico I would invite the world’s shipping fleets to Mexico and modernize the port of Ensanada.”
I thought Mexico already invited the CCP.
The other consideration no one seems to be talking about is charging infrastructure for these E-semis. I recently read a paper on the electrical demand in kW for the various types of chargers, i.e. Level 1, Level 2, and the rapid charge Level 3. It also talked about Level 3 rapid chargers for semis. The stated electrical demand for those devices was 1 MW! Now multiply that by say, 20 rapid charging stations at a typical truck stop and you get an aggregate demand of 20 MW if all of the chargers are in use at the same time. That is the same demand as a small factory. Multiply that several hundred times over for statewide coverage. This is simply ludicrous. It can’t possibly work. These people criminally insane.
Hm-m-m-m ... how many EV golf carts does it take to transfer a single load from an 18-wheeler to inner-Kalifornication ...? Talk about empty shelves ... !
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