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The Pennsylvania mail ballots without dates won't be counted
Hotair ^ | 11/07/2022 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 11/07/2022 9:09:48 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Last week, the Pennsylvania state supreme court ruled that any mail-in ballots that did not have a correct date and signature on the envelope they were sent in would not be counted. Since that requirement is specifically listed in the state’s election laws, it seemed like a no-brainer for the most part. But that hasn’t stopped the Pennsylvania ACLU and other liberal groups from filing a lawsuit intended to throw out the ruling and force the ballots to be counted anyway. So is this yet another case of the “voter suppression” that Stacey Abrams likes to go on and on about or just a simple example of following election laws as they are written? It may be too late to impact tomorrow’s election, but the question will eventually have to be settled ahead of the next presidential cycle. (Yahoo News)

Pennsylvania currently requires voters who mail in a ballot to sign and date the outer envelope. On Tuesday, the Supreme Court ruled that any mail-in ballot with an incorrect date or no date written at all on the return envelope would not be counted.

Friday night, several groups in the state, represented by the American Civil Liberties Union, filed suit in federal court. Their goal is to have these votes count, even if they do not have the proper dates written.

Their argument is that votes should not be disqualified over what they call a trivial paperwork error, saying these ballots are otherwise valid.

The ACLU’s argument already seemed rather thin even before the state supreme court handed down its ruling. Calling the lack of a signature or a correct date on the ballot envelope a “trivial paperwork error” opens the door to all manner of other exceptions. What if the return address on the envelope doesn’t match the address of record for the voter? What if the ballot itself has errors on it? Should they all be tossed into the bin and tabulated anyway?

And these objections really aren’t all that “trivial” to begin with. Each state has its own rules for early voting and mail-in voting, most of which were massively expanded during the pandemic and are now being made permanent wherever Democrats can get away with doing so. Those rules include the dates when it is acceptable to send in or drop off a ballot.

Since there are no election officials present to determine when a ballot is dropped into a mailbox or a ballot drop box, the date on the envelope is the only way (such as it is) to determine if the ballot was “cast” in a legal fashion. The lack of a signature is also highly problematic. When you go to vote in person, you are always asked to sign in when they check your name off. Perhaps the lack of a signature on an envelope was an oversight, but it still suggests that the process was not properly completed.

Of course, there is one foolproof way to get around all of these questions and complications. Do you know how you avoid this problem entirely? You go to your polling place on election day, sign in, fill out your ballot and deposit it yourself. No fuss, no muss. No questions need to be asked. And you at least know that your ballot made it into the mix and didn’t get mysteriously “lost” along the way.

But that’s apparently far too simple and rooted in common sense for some people. We’re left to wonder why the ACLU and these other groups are so fired up and determined to see questionable and potentially spoiled or even fraudulently crafted ballots counted. Or perhaps I’m just too cynical by nature.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2022election; bloggers; mailinballots; pennsylvania
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1 posted on 11/07/2022 9:09:48 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Perhaps the lack of a signature on an envelope was an oversight...

Sure. And perhaps I'm Little Bo Peep.

2 posted on 11/07/2022 9:15:02 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: SeekAndFind

Dimocrap cheaters has the sadz.


3 posted on 11/07/2022 9:21:18 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: SeekAndFind

PA post offices probably burning the midnight oil tonight.


4 posted on 11/07/2022 9:22:25 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Billthedrill

Somewhere a set of staffers are busy scribbling dates on a pile of ballots.


5 posted on 11/07/2022 9:22:28 PM PST by Bayard
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To: null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; Kale; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; bgill; bitt; ...

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6 posted on 11/07/2022 9:41:02 PM PST by bitt (<IMG SRC=' 'width=50%>)
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To: SeekAndFind
I wouldn't discount that the Dem "poll workers" will just fill in the missing date themselves, and make the ballots "valid".

7 posted on 11/07/2022 9:43:52 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

The pens they’re using should be shoved into their brains.


8 posted on 11/07/2022 10:03:34 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They’re already “fixing” those that don’t have dates.


9 posted on 11/07/2022 10:14:34 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Dems might just count them anyway.

After the envelops are opened, and invalid ballots mingled with valid ballots, what can the court do to remedy that?

10 posted on 11/07/2022 11:02:15 PM PST by Angelino97
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“The Dems might just count them anyway.”

Exactly. But only in the few urban precincts 100% controlled by Democrats.

And that will be enough to steal statewide races, like governor, senator and President (electoral college delegates).

The House can’t be stolen that way, and neither can the state legislatures, t you because concentrated cheating in a few crooked precincts will only rig seats the Democrats would have won anyway.

The way the Constitution was written, only state legislatures have the authority to determine how elections are run - but this is widely misunderstood, and therefore not being followed.

The belief is that state legislatures should set election policy, but leave it to the executive branch to carry out. As a result, state legislatures have failed to assert their Constitutional authority.


11 posted on 11/08/2022 12:10:41 AM PST by enumerated ( )
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To: Bayard

on.....dem.....ballots


13 posted on 11/08/2022 2:57:04 AM PST by Sacajaweau ( )
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Someone needs to do an audit of what percentage of those ballots were for demonrats


14 posted on 11/08/2022 3:52:42 AM PST by dsrtsage ( Complexity is just simple lacking imagination)
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To: SeekAndFind

DANG IT!!..... If we have honest elections the DemocRATs won’t have a chance!! ..... /sarc


15 posted on 11/08/2022 3:55:48 AM PST by high info voter (Delivery )
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To: SeekAndFind

Mail in voting and drop boxes must be stopped. There is no need, if there ever was, for them anymore.

Paper ballots are the way to go. Our right to vote is too precious to be so cynically stolen from us by dumblecrats and judges.


16 posted on 11/08/2022 4:00:19 AM PST by Adder (ALL Democrats are the enemy. NO QUARTER!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fetterman concession speech. “My doctors say basement not good for my condition. Have to be in warm dry place. Mama building me a sauna in the basement, Gisele leaving me to live with Oz.I support fracking on Wednesdays”


17 posted on 11/08/2022 4:12:11 AM PST by chuckee
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To: chuckee
Here is Uncle Festterman explaining how electricity works:


18 posted on 11/08/2022 4:14:33 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Demonicrats don’t care about rules.


19 posted on 11/08/2022 4:41:21 AM PST by Carl Vehse (A proud member of the LGBFJB community)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fetterman already said he’s taking it to court.


20 posted on 11/08/2022 4:43:17 AM PST by mware
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