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Blackouts may be imposed on cold weekday evenings, National Grid chief warns
SKY News ^ | October 18, 2022 | By Sarah Taaffe-Maguire

Posted on 10/18/2022 6:56:04 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let’s look at the situation. One, illegal immigration. Two, carbon neutral impact. Three, unable to internally generate all the electricity required. Results, blackouts. Good job Libs! What’s next, cut back on food production? Forced sterilization via a so-called vaccine?


21 posted on 10/18/2022 7:50:04 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: ConservativeMind

England used to run on coal, isn’t time to open those mines again?


22 posted on 10/18/2022 7:52:55 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

National Grid (NG) has an inherent conflict of interest: they operate UK electrical power grid, including the Balancing Mechanism (BM) market, while at the same time NG owns several HVDC cables that connect UK with EU countries.

NG-operated control center decides production level (MW) for each power station in UK (that is part of the BM market) and how much will be imported from EU.
Conveniently, there is a limited auditing capability to check whether decisions made by the control center are justifiable or not.

In addition, closing of coal-fired electric power plants in UK was beneficial to the National Grid as it increased the imports from Europe through lines owned by NG.

This is just a tip of an iceberg of problems that exist in the current BM market that governs production of electricity in UK.


23 posted on 10/18/2022 7:53:20 AM PDT by nosf40
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Here in the US blackouts should be judiciously used for the blue areas and states.


24 posted on 10/18/2022 8:01:59 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: crz

The current warm period, the Holocene, is due to end soon. “Soon” in geologic terms means any next mini-cooling period, such as the time we call the Little Ice Age, may actually develop into a full-blown 110,000-year glacial event.

Current solar cycles, cosmic radiation, volcanic activity, etc. indicate another LIA cooling period has begun. Will it be the ‘big one’?

I’ll die off, and probably everyone alive today will too, before it’s known.


25 posted on 10/18/2022 8:25:28 AM PDT by citizen (The pResident On Hot Mic With Florida Official: ‘No One F**ks With A Biden’)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
This winter, Britain is going to mysteriously lose a lot of tree cover.

Sadly, I predict lots of makeshift "heat generators" this winter, many fueled by whatever wood that can be found. Also sadly, I predict that there will be unplanned conflagrations that will displace people from their homes.

26 posted on 10/18/2022 8:47:06 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sounds punitive to me. Why not have blackouts between 1 a.m. to 4 a.m. when most people are snuggly warm in their beds and may not even notice the power is out? Because they want you to FEEL the pain for your sins, dontchaknow? You must REPENT of your energy sins and feel the wrath of Almighty Gaia...


27 posted on 10/18/2022 8:55:36 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (No food in the stores; fuel prices too high? Thank a liberal.)
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To: OrangeHoof
You must REPENT of your energy sins and feel the wrath of Almighty Gaia...

I thought it was Almighty Greta.

28 posted on 10/18/2022 8:56:40 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
UK has large Natural gas reserves they are sitting on.

Sounds uncomfortable.

29 posted on 10/18/2022 8:59:53 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (No food in the stores; fuel prices too high? Thank a liberal.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Although Britain does not import gas from Russian, it does import electricity and gas from European countries that rely on Russian gas.

SNORT.

30 posted on 10/18/2022 9:01:21 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: mewzilla

Bottom line: Energy is fungible, sanctions are a crock, and Ukraine is the latest scam.


31 posted on 10/18/2022 9:02:20 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: dfwgator

How DARE you!

(j/k)


32 posted on 10/18/2022 9:02:45 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (No food in the stores; fuel prices too high? Thank a liberal.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Such a decision might save $10 but reheating a cold house mught cost $20. Mearly examples of the futility of such a cure.

Looks like we need the real Tesla back from the grave. An ulimited energy potential would toss the greedy into an ass over tea kettle situation. Why, they’d hide the plans for such a thing. /sarc


33 posted on 10/18/2022 10:14:56 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Such a decision might save $10 but reheating a cold house mught cost $20. Mearly examples of the futility of such a cure.

Looks like we need the real Tesla back from the grave. An ulimited energy potential would toss the greedy into an ass over tea kettle situation. Why, they’d hide the plans for such a thing. /sarc


34 posted on 10/18/2022 10:14:56 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: OrangeHoof

4 pm to 7 pm is probably expected peak demand. People getting home, warming the house back up, charging the electric car, making supper, etc.

If generating plants are short on gas, problems (and a possible crash of the entire grid) are most likely when the “draw” of power is greatest - gotta reduce demand then, somehow.


35 posted on 10/18/2022 1:21:36 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: PrairieLady2
Such a decision might save $10 but reheating a cold house mught cost $20.

No, it generally doesn't work that way, unless you turn on really inefficient supplemental heat(ers)* to reheat the house. We studied this in both my Engineering Thermodynamics (heat transfer) coursework and in Power Systems Analysis.

*Barring that, essentially, total heat in = total heat transferred (lost) "out", and lost heat depends on insulation (including non-leaks) and the difference between the inside temperature and the outside temperature.

I suppose it is possible that if you time shift the reheating to a time when it's colder outside and a heat pump has to switch to supplemental heat, that could qualify for my "unless" above. It would depend on the details of each situation.

36 posted on 10/18/2022 1:47:52 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What are they going to turn the power plants off and let the steam cool down which will need to be heated up again before electricity is generated?
So the homes will cool down and will need extra energy to get them back up to normal temperature?
Where are the savings?


37 posted on 10/18/2022 1:57:24 PM PDT by jimfr
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To: OrangeHoof

There is something called daily load curve, it shows how demand changes during 24 hours. Generally speaking, the peak is between 16:00 and 19:00.
It would not be unusual that the demand at that time is 2-3 times higher than the demand in early morning hours 1-4 am.
There is no generation shortage during the night. During cold winter days, in the afternoon, there could be a shortage of available generation, there is simply nothing else to turn on. Then the demand must be reduced because in an electric system, generation and demand must be in balance, otherwise the system could collapse.


38 posted on 10/18/2022 2:22:25 PM PDT by nosf40
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
John Pettigrew, the National Grid chief, said, "Blackouts would have to be imposed during the "deepest darkest evenings" in January and February, if electricity generators did not have enough gas to meets demand, especially if there is a period of cold weather.

The UK has beat Gorebull warming!!!

39 posted on 09/04/2023 12:37:31 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Georgia just crystallized Trump’s caympaign with a copyright-free image winning him nomination!)agee)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Although Britain does not import gas from Russian, it does import electricity and gas from European countries that rely on Russian gas.

Wonder how much the average Brit has to pay for this B$?


40 posted on 09/04/2023 1:24:48 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Georgia just crystallized Trump’s caympaign with a copyright-free image winning him nomination!)agee)
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