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Petraeus: Putin is ‘literally out of moves’
The Hill ^ | 10/05/2022 | ZACH SCHONFELD

Posted on 10/05/2022 6:54:00 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

Former CIA Director and retired U.S. Army Gen. David Petraeus said in a new interview that Russia can still inflict destruction upon Ukraine, but Russian President Vladimir Putin cannot reverse Ukrainian gains in the four regions Moscow recently annexed.

“I think he’s literally out of moves,” Petraeus told CNBC’s Hadley Gamble.

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To: Boogieman

You have totally moronic statements.


81 posted on 10/05/2022 12:12:41 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: dforest

She was doing her job...


82 posted on 10/05/2022 12:13:30 PM PDT by OKSooner ("Nucular combat, toe to toe with the Rooskies!")
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To: McCarthysGhost
The war shows that Russia's military is too weak now. However, if they spend the next 5 years rebuilding, rearming, and retraining, who knows? That's especially true since most of the negotiated settlement proposals end up with Russia having more territory than when they began this war, putting them in a more advantageous position at the start of the next war than they were at the start of this one.
83 posted on 10/05/2022 12:15:26 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Allegra

Ok.


84 posted on 10/05/2022 12:17:06 PM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
I'm assuming…

Well, there’s your problem.

Again, it is not relevant how many major wars have occurred before or after WWII. That’s leftist logic.

NATO has served a good purpose. My dad worked with NATO in Italy as a Navy pilot back in the 60s - 70s and they definitely kept the Soviets from doing as much damage as they would have liked.

But no. Billions and billions of *our* dollars going to that mincing little grifter Zelensky is *not* money well spent. You can get as mad as you want. You can sling all of the leftist rationale you like.

I do not and will not support this. Nor will I ever support Biden, Pelosi and that bunch.

Have a blessed day.

85 posted on 10/05/2022 12:19:51 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: jacknhoo

Says the guy who can’t offer any counterargument so he resorts to insults.


86 posted on 10/05/2022 12:23:27 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: McCarthysGhost
The war shows that Russia's military is too weak now. However, if they spend the next 5 years rebuilding, rearming, and retraining, who knows? That's especially true since most of the negotiated settlement proposals end up with Russia having more territory than when they began this war, putting them in a more advantageous position at the start of the next war than they were at the start of this one.
87 posted on 10/05/2022 12:35:05 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: hinckley buzzard

Time will tell who is right. But, I fear Ukraine will run out of people (men and women) before Russia does. Without NATO Troops they are doomed. In a war of attrition the bigger country wins, without help. Without the French, Washington and the Revolution would have folded up. It will be over when winter hits. You know when it gets bad when the railroads are targeted and Kiev starts to look like Berlin 1945. No Nukes needed—just Vacuum Bombs—a few dozen dropped from Bears.


88 posted on 10/05/2022 12:49:16 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

War is like a chess match. You sacrifice a few pawns to allow the enemy to advance with his plan, you move your knights, rooks and bishops as planned, then your opponent finds himself trapped...checkmate.

Russians are masters at playing chess...steps ahead of their opponents.

Checkmate, Russian Army wins.


89 posted on 10/05/2022 1:02:43 PM PDT by dmzTahoe
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To: Boogieman

“HA! Iran and Syria are Russian puppet-states. Russia supports THEM militarily, not the other way around. And China is an ally of convenience, they are not likely to lift a finger to help Russia if it becomes even slightly inconvenient for China.”

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Chinese Military on Target to Surpass US, Russia
https://www.voanews.com/a/chinese-military-on-target-to-surpass-us-russia/6290410.html

Russia eyes Iran as sanctions-busting backdoor for oil sales
A nuclear deal with Tehran would give Putin a perfectly timed Plan B to get oil out to global markets.
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-eyes-iran-as-sanctions-busting-backdoor-for-oil-sales/

Raisi: Iran-Russia ties can counter US sanctions
September 16, 2022 at 12:37 pm | Published in: Asia & Americas, China, Europe & Russia, India, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Middle East, News, Pakistan, Russia, Tajikistan, US, Uzbekistan
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220916-raisi-iran-russia-ties-can-counter-us-sanctions/

Syria, a close Russia ally, breaks diplomatic ties with Ukraine
The Syrian foreign ministry says its decision to break with Kyiv was in accordance to the ‘principle of reciprocity’.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/20/syria-formally-breaks-diplomatic-ties-with-ukraine

The Islamic Republic on Wednesday signed a memorandum of obligations that will grant it full membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a climactic moment after a fifteen-year wait since it first applied to join the Asian body, which includes Russia and China.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/16/middleeast/iran-joins-shanghai-coop-mime-intl

China, Russia and Iran Are Slowly Ganging Up on the US
The leading autocratic states don’t have formal security alliances the way Washington does, but in some ways that makes them more dangerous.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-09-01/china-russia-and-iran-are-slowly-ganging-up-on-the-us

Iran to join Russia, China-led group in bid to dodge Western sanctions: report
One expert said China and Russia are using ‘Iran as a pawn against the West’
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-join-russia-china-group-bid-dodge-western-sanctions-report


90 posted on 10/05/2022 1:11:38 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo

And not a single one of the links you spammed supports your assertion that Russia will receive any actual military support from any of those 3 countries.


91 posted on 10/05/2022 1:14:41 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

“Says the guy who can’t offer any counterargument so he resorts to insults.”

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I meant no insult to you personally, just acknowledging your statements (three to me so far) are moronic...not that you’re a moron. You appear to just repeat propaganda and possibly you think its real or maybe you just don’t really care. You may need to get out more, so to speak.

Now, I understand, with your limited knowledge your thoughts may not be able to comprehend that the nations aligned in financial/trade agreements designed to thwart sanctions against each other and the solidification of their alliances specifically designed unseat the USA/EU/NATO world superpower and remove the US dollar as the world’s currency is support militarily, especially when the alliance is formed to counter the WWIII winning aspirations of the USA/EU/NATO alliance. But you would be as wrong there as you are when you ignore Iran sending drones to Russia or other nations sending fighters and military intelligence being support militarily.

They’ll fight with what they have and they’re not empty handed, because its either the USA/EU/NATO amoral way, or its the China/Russia/Iran/CTO/SCO amoral way.

One of these two demonic axes will end up ruling the world, for a period.

We’re just here to watch. There’s nothing either you or I are going to be able to do about it, other than pray.

The globohomos insist on it.


92 posted on 10/05/2022 1:34:31 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo

“I meant no insult to you personally...”

“You appear to just repeat propaganda...”

And then you follow that up by repeating a bunch of nonsense propaganda strewn with insults. Not really very convincing I have to say.

“But you would be as wrong there as you are when you ignore Iran sending drones to Russia...”

Aha! One single factual point that you make to support your original claim. It’s not a great point, since sending a few cheaply made drones isn’t much support at all, but I guess I’ll concede it is something at least.

“or other nations sending fighters”

Oh, “other nations”, eh? But not Iran, Syria, or China, so no, that’s not a supporting argument.

“and military intelligence being support militarily”

I’m sure that Russia’s intelligence service is regularly looping you in to what assistance they are getting from those 3 countries so that you can confidently say this, right?


93 posted on 10/05/2022 1:40:14 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
In a war of attrition the bigger country wins, without help.

Not true. We lost wars of attrition in Vietnam and Afghanistan. The Russians also lost a war of attrition in Afghanistan. There are dozens of examples in history of a smaller country successfully defending its own territory against a larger country in a war of attrition. They win because they're more willing to pay the price of victory than is the larger country.

94 posted on 10/05/2022 2:13:50 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

The war should’ve been avoided. It could’ve been avoided.
Russia was trying to negotiate. Instead, our stupid government wanted this war and made sure it happened. We’ve spent 60-100 billion to prevent part of Ukraine, Ukraine, an area of the world that means nothing in the broader scheme of things, from falling into Russia’s hands. Why? It’s not to protect Europe. Russia poses no threat to Europe. We can see that. Who knows the answer? But I’m sure it involves lots and lots of corruption, possibly the great reset. Look at our economy and Europe’s economy and our so-called President.

Russia will not retreat. They will not back down. They’ve lost too much now to turn back. Anybody can see that. They are now, according to Newt Gingrich and many others, deciding whether to use weapons of mass destruction. We have CREATED a global threat where there was none. If nukes are used, expect that YOUR life will be under threat, financial markets will crash into oblivion. This is surreal. What I really don’t get is that conservatives are backing this.


95 posted on 10/05/2022 2:49:22 PM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: McCarthysGhost
Russia will not retreat. They will not back down. They’ve lost too much now to turn back. Anybody can see that.

They may not have a choice if domestic opposition to full war footing - which is what likely would be necessary - is too great. And Putin won't be around forever. The war could degenerate into slow attrition, and last until he's gone.

96 posted on 10/05/2022 3:11:44 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

We didn’t lose the Vietnam war—we quit same with Afghanistan, same with Russia—they were not defeated—they just walked our—a Bit like England in the Revolutionary War.


97 posted on 10/05/2022 3:18:19 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

“Moves” may mean schemes or stratagems. Putin still could bludgeon his way through, using blunt force rather than cleverness.


98 posted on 10/05/2022 3:30:17 PM PDT by x
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To: jacknhoo

The US should open up the Syrian civil war again. See if Russia can keep long necked Assad in power.


99 posted on 10/05/2022 3:53:12 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: ChicagoConservative27
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/politics-by-other-means

Putin and those around him conceived of the Russo-Ukrainian War in existential terms from the very beginning. It is unlikely, however, that most Russians understood this. Instead, they likely viewed the war the same way Americans viewed the war in Iraq and Ukraine - as a justified military enterprise that was nevertheless merely a technocratic task for the professional military; hardly a matter of life and death for the nation. I highly doubt that any American ever believed that the fate of the nation hinged on the war in Afghanistan (Americans have not fought an existential war since 1865), and judging by the recruitment crisis plaguing the American military, it does not seem like anyone perceives a genuine foreign existential threat.

What has happened in the months since February 24 is rather remarkable. The existential war for the Russian nation has been incarnated and made real for Russian citizens. Sanctions and anti-Russian propaganda - demonizing the entire nation as “orcs” - has rallied even initially skeptical Russians behind the war, and Putin’s approval rating has soared. A core western assumption, that Russians would turn on the government, has reversed. Videos showing the torture of Russian POWs by frothing Ukrainians, of Ukrainian soldiers calling Russian mothers to mockingly tell them their sons are dead, of Russian children killed by shelling in Donetsk, have served to validate Putin’s implicit claim that Ukraine is a demon possessed state that must be exorcised with high explosives. Amidst all of this - helpfully, from the perspective of Alexander Dugin and his neophytes - American pseudo-intellectual “Blue Checks” have publicly drooled over the prospect of “decolonizing and demilitarizing” Russia, which plainly entails the dismemberment of the Russian state and the partitioning of its territory. The government of Ukraine (in now deleted tweets) publicly claimed that Russians are prone to barbarism because they are a mongrel race with Asiatic blood mixing.

Simultaneously, Putin has moved towards - and ultimately achieved - his project of formal annexation of Ukraine’s old eastern rim. This has also legally transformed the war into an existential struggle. Further Ukrainian advances in the east are now, in the eyes of the Russian state, an assault on sovereign Russian territory and an attempt to destroy the integrity of the Russian state. Recent polling shows that a supermajority of Russians support defending these new territories at any cost.

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A political consensus for higher mobilization and greater intensity has been achieved. Now all that remains is the implementation of this consensus in the material world of fist and boot, bullet and shell, blood and iron.

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Putin, very simply, could not have conducted a large scale mobilization at the onset of the war. He possessed neither a coercive mechanism nor the manifest threat to generate mass political support. Few Russians would have believed that there was some existential threat lurking in the shadow - they needed to be shown, and the west has not disappointed. Likewise, few Russians would likely have supported the obliteration of Ukrainian infrastructure and urban utilities in the opening days of the war. But now, the only vocal criticism of Putin within Russia is on the side of further escalation. The problem with Putin, from the Russian perspective, is that he has not gone far enough. In other words - mass politics have already moved ahead of the government, making mobilization and escalation politically trivial. Above all, we must remember that Clausewitz’s maxim remains true. The military situation is merely a subset of the political situation, and military mobilization is also political mobilization - a manifestation of society’s political participation in the state.

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The other is the interpretation that I have advocated, that Russia is massing for a winter escalation and offensive, and is currently engaged in a calculated trade wherein they give up space in exchange for time and Ukrainian casualties. Russia continues to retreat where positions are either operationally compromised or faced with overwhelming Ukrainian numbers, but they are very careful to extract forces out of operational danger. In Lyman, where Ukraine threatened to encircle the garrison, Russia committed mobile reserves to unblock the village and secure the withdrawal of the garrison. Ukraine’s “encirclement” evaporated, and the Ukrainian interior ministry was bizarrely compelled to tweet (and then delete) video of destroyed civilian vehicles as “proof” that the Russian forces had been annihilated.

Russia will likely continue to pull back over the coming weeks, withdrawing units intact under their artillery and air umbrella, grinding down Ukrainian heavy equipment stocks and wearing away their manpower. Meanwhile, new equipment continues to congregate in Belgorod, Zaporizhia, and Crimea. My expectation remains the same: episodic Russian withdrawal until the front stabilizes roughly at the end of October, followed by an operational pause until the ground freezes, followed by escalation and a winter offensive by Russia once they have finished amassing sufficient units.

100 posted on 10/05/2022 4:44:03 PM PDT by Kazan
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