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Why Putin would want to blow up Nord Stream 2, and the advantages it gives him
The telegraph ^ | James crisp

Posted on 09/28/2022 1:29:11 PM PDT by NoLibZone

The Russian leader has a record of weaponising fuel supplies and believes his people can endure economic pain longer than western Europe

The suspected sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines could be a page ripped straight from Vladimir Putin’s playbook of panic, escalation and misdirection.

The former KGB agent’s illegal war on Ukraine resulted in unprecedented Western sanctions against Moscow.

But the Russian president is confident that his people can endure economic pain longer and better than Europeans.

His calculation is that soaring gas prices and the cost of living crisis in a continent hopelessly addicted to Russian energy will turn the situation to his advantage.

European gas prices have been dropping for the last four days. On Tuesday, after news of the suspected attack, they rose by 20 per cent. The British price was up 33 per cent.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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To: NoLibZone
The former KGB agent’s illegal war on Ukraine resulted in unprecedented Western BIDEN sanctions against Moscow.

BIDEN: "If Russia invades Ukraine there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring end to it"


21 posted on 09/28/2022 1:40:38 PM PDT by henbane (Power is tearing human minds to pieces and putting them back again in shapes of your choice,)
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To: NoLibZone

Biden did it just like he said he would.


22 posted on 09/28/2022 1:40:59 PM PDT by G Larry (Population Control means Killing Billions, not "limiting growth".)
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To: NoLibZone

Whom to believe. Not the media. Not the government.


23 posted on 09/28/2022 1:42:13 PM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: Renfrew

LOL!


24 posted on 09/28/2022 1:43:42 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: NoLibZone

It is interesting neither Russia, nor the US, have denied doing this.


25 posted on 09/28/2022 1:44:14 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: hardspunned

Ask Victoria Nuland.


26 posted on 09/28/2022 1:44:39 PM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: NoLibZone
The suspected sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines could be a page ripped straight from Vladimir Putin’s playbook of panic, escalation and misdirection.

Remember when Putin shot himself in the foot to make it tougher for Joe Biden to ride a bike?

I wondered what Clown World might be like on the other side of the looking glass. Apparently, the effect is additive.

27 posted on 09/28/2022 1:44:41 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: NoLibZone

It only gets a quick “get my hip waders, the bullshit is getting deep” from me.


28 posted on 09/28/2022 1:44:53 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Conservative. Not a Neocon.)
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To: hardspunned

“How in God’s name did we get into this mess? Why?”?

Because we are now in a Kakistocracy.

L


29 posted on 09/28/2022 1:45:27 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Renfrew
By blowing up the pipeline and presenting Biden as a villainous mastermind behind the plot Putin can blame the economic crisis on the USA rather than his decision to go to war.

This is ALL on the the Yalie neocon smart boys in the White Hospice.

They let King Puppet run his mouth [after Victoria Nuland made the same threat], and it doesn't matter who pulled the trigger, now.

Smart players wouldn't have gotten anywhere near this option being used.

30 posted on 09/28/2022 1:47:12 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: hardspunned

We got into this mess because while we were working hard we were asleep at the wheel while these Marxists quietly took over every damn thing in our country!! The education system, the media, the ENTIRE government, the biggest achievement was the university system THEN convincing everyone they NEEDED a college education!! Government taking over all loans for that education and indoctrinating EVERYONE getting that non education!! IF the government had not taken over the loans MANY, MANY would not have qualified and chosen different career paths!! NOW they have crept into the K-12 classrooms with these indoctrinated college grads as SO CALLED teachers!! The same for the media these SO CALLED journalists also indoctrinated college grads!! Obama is 90% responsible for the infiltration of EVERY department in government the government is ENTRENCHED with unelected Marxists doing ALL they can to DESTROY any POTUS elected by the people who does not conform to their Marxist ways!! NOW here we are and this has gone WAY PAST a ballot box WAY PAST IT!!


31 posted on 09/28/2022 1:47:57 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: ConservativeMind
It is interesting neither Russia, nor the US, have denied doing this.

Not sure if there's been a denial by Russia, so that part of your point stands.

But Russia is the only one who has called for a UN Security Council meeting over "sabotage":

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/un-security-council-meet-friday-damage-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-09-28/

32 posted on 09/28/2022 1:49:32 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: lurk

In a proverbial room full of liars can you even trust an “exit” sight?

Scripture tells us what will happen at the end, and men being lovers of truth is definitely not how people are described in the Revelation to John.


33 posted on 09/28/2022 1:49:58 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: NoLibZone

What a crock. We did it. Russia will lose a ton of cash. No reason to blow it when they could slow it to a trickle and use it as a hostage.

These idiots here don’t care who suffers as long as they can hammer Putin.

Hey State Department kiddies: Nobody believes your propaganda any more. You’re fooling no one. Foolish children, playing with fire. Willing to light the world up. Yeah, we see you.

*spit*

And dems will get wrecked in 7 weeks.


34 posted on 09/28/2022 1:51:21 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: NoLibZone

Only one political leader has guaranteed that he would stop the pipeline...

When communist leaders make a threat, it stays active for many, many years...

Gulf of Tonkin redux?
Remember the Maine redux?

Tick...Tock... Biden runs up the nuclear clock...


35 posted on 09/28/2022 1:52:44 PM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: NoLibZone

“Why Putin would want to blow up Nord Stream 2, and the advantages it gives him”

The BIGGEST ‘advantage’ Putin gets by blowing it up is that he gets rid of his BEST NEGOTIATING CARD...so sure, he most certainly did it. Yeah, right.

Between Putin shelling a nuclear power plant that he occupies and this, the West is now dealing with SOVIET-LEVEL PROPAGANDA...and anyone here pushing this crap needs to go (and no, I don’t mind the stories being posted, otherwise we wouldn’t know how bad things now are).

It’s also time to end the exemption of the media to not be liable for the flat-out lies that they publish.


36 posted on 09/28/2022 1:52:46 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 43 degrees)
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To: NoLibZone

Can’t believe anything the MSM says, so who really knows what’s going on? Nobody. I would lean toward believing this is a deep state operation to escalate the war and keep the money flowing to the MIC at the expense of people’s lives. Probably some energy companies that stand to benefit from this as well. 10% for the big guy.


37 posted on 09/28/2022 1:53:40 PM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: NoLibZone
Blowing up the pipeline makes absolutely no sense when Russia can simply turn it off.

However,destroying Nordstream means that Germany and Europe have zero ability to negotiate with Russia directly and pursue a separate peace.

Europe seemingly has no choice but to do whatever Washington tells them to.

38 posted on 09/28/2022 1:54:29 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: packagingguy
This hurts Russia more than it helps them. Turning off the spigot on their end seems a lot easier.

You're not thinking this through far enough.

If, and it's a big "if," if Putin did blow up his own Nordstream 1 and 2 pipelines, he did it so that even if he is removed from power, Europe is going to suffer.

His successor can't say to Europe "see, that evil Putin is gone, we're nice guys in charge now, so we can turn the gas back on and everybody will be happy again."

The destruction of the pipelines ensures that no matter what, Europe is going without Russian natural gas for a minimum of two more years. Two winters of freezing. Two years of reduced industrial output. Two years of economic hardship.

This was Putin's middle finger to Europe.

39 posted on 09/28/2022 1:55:41 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: packagingguy

The drones around the drilling rigs in the region, are an
interesting aspect of this.

If the U. S. did sabotage the pipeline, does that mean
they would entertain hitting the oil rigs? I don’t think
so. Look, I could be wrong, but I don’t think the U. S.
leadership as addled as it is, would go that far.

Russia on the other hand might, if they could lay it off
on the U. S.

This is an interesting situation. It raises all sorts of
double and triple think situations.


40 posted on 09/28/2022 1:56:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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