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Study: 'Smart' thermostats actually INCREASE electric and gas consumption 'Fail to deliver the expected energy savings'
wnd.com ^ | 9/21/2022 1444 hrs edt | Bob Unruh

Posted on 09/22/2022 6:47:45 AM PDT by rktman

A new study reveals that those "smart" thermostats installed, often at great expense, in homes actually cause the energy consumption to rise, not fall.

"Engineering estimates from the California Technical Forum …. predict that smart thermostats will produce substantial reductions in energy consumption," the report, called "The Human Perils of Scaling Smart Technologies: Evidence from Field Experiments," said.

It was released by authors from Johns Hopkins, University of Chicago, University of Southern California and University of Alabama.

They studied the smart thermostat impact on energy consumption using data over an 18-month period including more than 16 million hourly electricity use records and almost 700,000 daily observations of natural gas consumption.

"The most relevant estimates to our experimental sample come from Department of Energy Technical Reference Manuals, which are annual reports produced by energy providers and regulators. These reports primarily rely on engineering simulations and survey data to predict the effects of energy efficiency programs at scale.

"These predictions are then used by energy providers to justify expenditures on energy efficiency programs. Mapping these predictions for Californians, which vary by climate zone and the size of a home, to our experimental samples we find that savings of 1.3% and 4.0% are respectively predicted for overall electricity and natural gas consumption."

However, those thermostats were found to "fail to deliver the expected energy savings."

The researchers said, in their nearly 100-page report, those thermostats "actually increase electricity and gas consumption by 2.3% and 4.2%, respectively," the report found.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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DOH! And, get this part from the report: "They advertise savings of 26% and 27%, respectively, on consumer's annual heating and cooling bills.

The report explained the problem was not necessarily one of usability.

"In fact, researchers observed, nearly all users with the smart devices programmed them almost immediately, and many did so with energy savings in mind," the report said."

Think I'll stick with stoopid. NVEnergy has been pushing these to customers for free. NOPE! Ask the folks in Colorado how they like them now........... 😵‍💫🥵🔥⛄📴

1 posted on 09/22/2022 6:47:45 AM PDT by rktman
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My house came with two - both of which went into the trash as soon as I moved in.

Useless.


2 posted on 09/22/2022 6:49:30 AM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: rktman

Put it does increase their power. And that’s what it’s all about.


3 posted on 09/22/2022 6:50:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: AAABEST

Nice.


4 posted on 09/22/2022 6:50:51 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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Either mini-splits or variable speed heat pumps are the way to go.


5 posted on 09/22/2022 6:51:48 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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What in the world does “undo the good stuff” mean?
Are the defaults set unrealistically? If they’re being set to “normal” then why are they consuming MORE energy?!


6 posted on 09/22/2022 6:51:49 AM PDT by Skywise
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>> These reports primarily rely on engineering simulations and survey data to predict the effects of energy efficiency programs at scale.

Hmm, would those be computer simulations? We seem to have forgotten GIGO!


7 posted on 09/22/2022 6:52:03 AM PDT by Chicory
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“’Fail to deliver the expected energy savings’”

They seemed to work just fine in the above regard, in Colorado, when they all went up to 88 degrees and couldn’t be lowered.


8 posted on 09/22/2022 6:52:08 AM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 40 degrees)
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I have a smart thermometer that’s more than 30 years old. When the temperature drops below a preset level, the furnace come on and then shuts off automatically. It even has a switch for cooling so that the air conditioner comes on in summer. It’s amazing!


9 posted on 09/22/2022 6:53:00 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters (Remember the 2020 backstabbers. No more RINOs ever!)
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To: rktman

A lot depends on your lifestyle. The thermostats that are supposed to “learn” your habits & adjust accordingly don’t work very well. I would avoid any thermostat that connects to your WiFi.


10 posted on 09/22/2022 6:54:01 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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11 posted on 09/22/2022 6:54:45 AM PDT by xp38
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Just got a new “smart” thermostat for my home - I had my techie son-in-law make sure it does not link to any “city services” - I keep getting messages asking if I’d like to save some $$ by “allowing” further services (or some other kind of weasel words) from the city.

Absolutely not. I don’t need the city cranking up my thermostat to 85 degrees when it’s well over 100 degrees outside - and there won’t be a thing I can do about it.

My guess is that all new homes will be mandated to have this “service” on their a/c systems.


12 posted on 09/22/2022 6:55:04 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (Rigged Elections have Consequences)
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On a similar note, we went from a single stage heat pump to a much more expensive 3 stage heat pump. I could not see any improvement in electrical use between the year before and after the switch.

The 3 stage runs in low most of the time, making the system a lot quieter but doesn’t seem to be any more efficient.


13 posted on 09/22/2022 6:57:45 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (Stop trusting in man, who has but a breath in his nostrils. Of what account is he?)
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To: Skywise

Not sure. There is testing world and real world. According to the piece the consumers didn’t have a problem programming them. Me” ON/OFF and desired temp.


14 posted on 09/22/2022 6:58:18 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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My apt complex put these things in.

Set it for a specific temp and its supposed to turn on when the heat/AC temp is 3 degrees below or above the set temp.

It routinely turns on even though the thermostat reads, for example 78, and is set at 78.

Heat or a/c.

It will turn on for zero reason,
and I have to cycle it through a few times to get it to turn off ,
and even then it continues to run for a few minutes
after being turned off.


15 posted on 09/22/2022 6:58:58 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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Duh. ‘Smart thermostat’ is an oxymoron.

The data has been there for decades that a thermostat is energy conserving by maintaining temperature.

Just more climate change BS.

I do like the suggestion I’d read weeks ago that we visit government offices and inquire why they didn’t modify their OWN temperatures.


16 posted on 09/22/2022 6:59:28 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: smokingfrog

Well, NVenergy did switch over the elec and gas meters to be connected but the thermostats stay under my control. For now. As long as nobody spills coffee on the keyboard at the power plant we should be okay for a few minutes. 😎👍


17 posted on 09/22/2022 7:01:00 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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"Instead, the problem was with how often and to what extent users overrode the programming to set heating temperatures higher, or cooling temperatures lower, when they wanted to change it." I believe this, many smart thermostats are self learning! Many homeowners should be looking at new windows & improvements in attic insulation.
18 posted on 09/22/2022 7:02:25 AM PDT by existentially_kuffer
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We have 3, BUT we set the program MANUALLY.

WHY?

We have residential solar and have programmed the HVAC to work hardest when we are exporting ‘excess’ power. Exported power only earns 4 cents per kilowatt hour but we pay north of 12 cents per kWh. So by being smart ourselves, not using algorithm, we run our HVAC for ‘free’ using excess power and DO save money for real.

The best part of these Nest thermostats is that I can adjust them from my phone, from anywhere.


19 posted on 09/22/2022 7:03:13 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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Lived with one of these when I purchased my home. When I purchased a new HVAC I ditched them immediately. There’s nothing worse than waking up in the middle of a summer night and the thermostat is set and you’re soaking wet. HATE THEM.


20 posted on 09/22/2022 7:03:47 AM PDT by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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