Posted on 09/15/2022 7:19:39 AM PDT by JonPreston
Thank you wardaddy. I’ll watch this tonight.
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British defense ministry just announced that the Russian and DPR withdrawal from Kerkhove was orderly and with minimal casualties now that we’re not been reported in western media you can be sure of that
That’s in stark contrast to posters on this forum running propaganda pieces that the Russian army was fleeing on bicycles in their underwear which is actually funny but complete bullshit they left a Luhansk Special militia to cover the retreat and according to reports on telegram they did a good job like Nathan Bedford Forrest repeatedly did
But to hear western media the wars over Russia is defeated Putin will be killed I can tell you it does not look good in today’s fighting for Ukraine at Bakhmut
If ukes and get to the upper hand I’ll be the first good knowledge that that is a big difference between me and those who attack me personally here
There is a reason several western European leaders have reached out to Vladimir Putin in the past 48 hours signaling at least to me they want to start talking again
Putin has also rejected his generals request to go more total war although it would appear there is some of that with the infrastructure attacks on powered ridge and troop trains
Today is likely the most important battle of this entire conflict and whoever wins it will have the upper hand in the Don bash and if Russia wins it it will seal their victory in the Donbas there’s no question about this area is the key point and frankly I do not see how the Ukraine can prevail against dominant AirPower and heavier artillery and the capacity for far more troops not to mention a remaining population that favors the Donetsk militia and the Luhansk militia and the few Russian regular army that are in theater
“You still sound like a dimwit.”
Sorry, but the opinion of a leftist who hates American patriots doesn’t matter much to me.
Least you forget Ukraines military was bombing the daylights out of Donbass and other areas for years. Despite who was President. NAto has had Ukraine in it's sight for decades......US has purprosely arranged for protests etc. So to think that Ukraine hasn't had a role in warmongering is ignorance to the hilt!
I would no more trust you to define who is an American patriot than I would allow Biden to lead me in war with the Ukraine.
BRICS can talk all they want. Let me know when they do anything meaningful.
India imports $41 billion from the US.
India imports $9 billion from Russia.
India exports $72 billion to the US.
India exports $3 billion to Russia.
China imports $181 billion from the US.
China imports $79 billion from Russia.
China exports $577 billion to the US.
China exports $68 billion to Russia.
Those figures do not factor in:
1) The West is threatening to sanction any country trading with Russia. That will work about as well as the Russian sanctions did. We cannot even keep consuming domestically what little we still produce. The American citizen is broke and getting more so. Upshot: we have fewer unique/essential exports and cannot afford imports.
2) This is all denominated in USD. Take another look in a year and decide if worthless fiat is as valuable as resources/commodities. Current numbers are from government entities that may or may not be accurate. Future trends favor BRICS+.
3) The rub, IMO, of all of this big talk, is that the West is deciding against all energy not derived from wind/solar. Putting aside the fact that wind & solar require elements/commodities not being allowed to be mined or refined in the West, those commodities are being mined and refined in the BRICS+ nations. And the components are manufactured in the BRICS+.
How do you mine steel without diesel? How do you smelt steel w/o nat gas or coal? How do you fabricate steel without electricity?
How do you produce export goods without the required inputs in societies where most young people of working age are both unskilled and unwilling to do the labor?
Many of the BRICS+ share borders, already have rail & pipelines and are building more. The West, especially America, Canada, Australia and NZ are isolated by oceans, no longer have the merchant fleets nor the fuel to power them and are already coping with clogged ports where government/union coalitions are restricting labor productivity? Contiguous Europe is maxed out, is further restricting resource recovery and manufacturing, and is significantly regulating domestic food production.
And here is a question I have been grappling with for months: it is going to take 2-3 years in a *normal* (Before) economy to replace the armaments we have collectively donated to Ukraine, while in a present environment of fuel, power and commodity restrictions. How does the West ramp up production of replacements as the USD collapses, the fuel resources are domestically embargoed and the commodities are not allowed to be available?
Do we go to a hegemonic global command economy where all consumer goods are restricted while scarce resources of all types are mandated to be funneled to the War Machine? And what happens when the militant Greens begin destroying whatever productive infrastructure still exists (because you know they are planning to do that).
How do we wage war on Russia in Ukraine _and_ manage to deploy the troops necessary to protect the resource recovery, the manufacturing, and the shipping?
The majority of the UN Tribute Troops come from the BRICS+ nations.
The BRICS+ are mostly all growing their populations
Demographically declining nations (all the collective West) cannot support imports or produce exports in the current environment.
The West talks big and the rest of the world knows this. We have become a Paper Tiger which is short of paper.
There cannot be a unipolar, yet global, hegemony in a world where the most productive and youngest resource-rich nations are excluded. Further sanctions issued from atop our high horse are only sound and fury.
Biden’s energy policy is stupid.
But neither India or China is going to risk upsetting the US. They are both too dependent on trade with us. Far more than Russia. They will try to walk a tight rope in the middle. They are after all neighbors of Russia.
But Russia can’t move significant amounts of gas to either India or China. And both of those can use the cap on Russian oil prices to negotiate discounts.
There is no problem replacing equipment sent to Ukraine. In many cases, Moscow Joe was able to slow deliveries to Ukraine by waiting on new units to be produced instead of shipping from our existing stockpiles.
For example, we have over 500 HIMARS and the Pentagon said we could send 100 to Ukraine without degrading our own readiness. Instead we have ramped HIMARS production and sent only 30.
Anyone who can’t admit the obvious - that Russia started this war by invading Ukraine on Feb. 23rd - is a Russian shill
Russia, and Russia alone, started this unnecessary war
Oh my gosh here it is again! - you have to choose one side or the other rant. Otherwise you’re a Russian shill or a Zelensky cult follower.....and a host of other insulting names.
Heard it time and again on the threads. But this is not a conflict to take sides on - there are no winners now or when this is over, because it will be unending. THAT is Ukraines history for decades.
Thanx, kid.
You cannot respond without ad hominem and appeal to some shibboleth that ended in the early 1990s.
Take a look at your own nation and deal with the totalitarians you live under before calling idiotic names of others.
I lived through the cold war. I never even heard that phrase.
The West is undeniably decadent, if not perverse. But it hasn’t been capitalist for most of my life. It is an oligarchy, commonly known as *crony capitalism*.
As for the bourgeoisie, that is what we Americans call the middle class and it is the target of the installed Western leaders, at the moment.
I know you think you are all that, but really, I doubt any of those phrases mean s#!+ to anyone in the world today.
There isn’t an honest elected leader in the West today or even one who has not followed the globos in lockstep for 2 years or more.
So take those tired epithets and shove them. And don’t forget the latest booster.
But Russia can’t move significant amounts of gas to either India or China. And both of those can use the cap on Russian oil prices to negotiate discounts.
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But they have. And they are.
And buyers don’t negotiate price caps.
I suggest you try it with your own source of natural gas or propane or heating oil.
I know from your prior posts that you believed all the inoculation hype fed to the world. I see you still think the government and the globos release accurate numbers to the world.
Good luck with that, again.
“Russia took matters into it’s own hands after Zelensky’s countless refusals to abide by the Minks agreements he signed and agreed to.”
Zelensky didn’t sign it. Russia had dirty hands before and after the agreement.
The Minsk agreements were a series of international agreements which sought to end ‘the Donbas war’ fought between armed Russian-backed separatist groups and Armed Forces of Ukraine, with Russian regular forces playing a central part.
The first, known as the Minsk Protocol, was drafted in 2014 by the Trilateral Contact Group on Ukraine, consisting of UKRAINE, Russia, and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe with mediation by the leaders of France and Germany in the so-called Normandy Format.
After extensive talks in Minsk, Belarus, THE AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED on 5 September 2014 by representatives of the Trilateral Contact Group ( of which Ukraine was a a part it that group) and by the then-leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR). ......This agreement followed multiple previous attempts to stop the fighting in the region and aimed to implement an immediate ceasefire.
The agreement failed to stop fighting, and was thus followed with a revised and updated agreement, Minsk II,..... which was SIGNED on 12 February 2015.
This agreement consisted of a package of measures, including a ceasefire, withdrawal of heavy weapons from the front line, release of prisoners of war, constitutional reform in Ukraine granting self-government to certain areas of Donbas and restoring control of the state border to the Ukrainian government.
While fighting subsided following the agreement’s signing, it never ended completely, and the agreement’s provisions were never fully implemented
They can move some oil. but they can’t move significant amounts of gas. Because they don’t have the infrastructure to liquify it.
Which means it can only be moved by pipelines and they don’t enough pipes going to China or India. There are not enough ships to move it. And the ocean paths will be frozen over winter.
What sales they made were to Europe.
Buyers can absolutely negotiate rates. Especially when the rest of the world has capped the rates. And there are only a couple of countries that Russia can sell to.
Those buyers have other options. Russia doesn’t. Those buyers have already been buying at a discount. The rate cap gives the buyers even more purchasing power. Russia doesn’t have to sell at those rates. But the buyers have other options.
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