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After Indiana Mall Shooting, One Hero but No Lasting Solution
The New York Times via Yahoo ^ | July 20, 2022 | by Richard Fausset (D-NYT)

Posted on 07/20/2022 1:05:27 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

It was an act of pluck and composure worthy of a scene in the movies. But this was real life: A heavily armed man emerged from the bathroom in a Greenwood, Indiana, shopping mall on Sunday evening and began shooting — until he was killed by an armed bystander.

Mike Wright, manager of the Luca Pizza di Roma in the mall’s food court, remembers taking shelter when the firing started and then emerging when it stopped to see the bystander behind a low-slung wall with his handgun trained on the assailant he had shot to death.

“He stood there maybe 25 or 30 feet from the body and held that pistol pointed at him until law enforcement arrived,” Wright remembered Tuesday. “The good Samaritan guy seemed poised and under control. He appeared to be very disciplined.” Jim Ison, the local police chief, went further, saying that his engagement with the gunman, who had killed three people, was “nothing short of heroic.”

But along with the horror, drama and acclaim came a roaring and rekindled controversy in a country united in revulsion over its ceaseless plague of gun violence, yet bitterly divided over a loosening of gun restrictions like the Indiana law, passed this year, that allowed the bystander, Elisjsha Dicken, 22, to carry his 9-mm handgun in the first place.

But Dicken’s act, though heroic, was also a statistical unicorn. An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker, according to data from the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Lurkinanloomin

How many shootings happen in gun free zones where no one has a gun to shoot back? Simon had decreed the mall to be gun free and fortunately that was ignored here.


21 posted on 07/20/2022 1:19:33 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The lasting solution is for armed law abiding Citizens to eliminate these murderous crazies post haste whenever they pop up. Like the game whack-a-mole but when armed Citizens whack them they will never pop up again, and soon this will end. Remember an armed society is a polite society, by design.

SS1


22 posted on 07/20/2022 1:19:54 PM PDT by Spitzensparkin1 (Donate often, it is our FReeping ammo. Help keep the supply train rollin', be a monthly donor. )
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To: DoodleDawg

I don’t care about a “guarantee”. I care about odds. The more “stand up” citizens armed at a given location at a given point in time ups the odds of taking out the trash in a short amount of time, possibly lessening the effects the attacker intended.

Maybe it wouldn’t help much, but in such situations, a little “help” may mean everything in the end.


23 posted on 07/20/2022 1:20:51 PM PDT by Pox (Eff You China. Buy American!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“The good Samaritan guy seemed poised and under control. He appeared to be very disciplined.”

I thought legally armed guys were "scary" and made libs uncomfortable.

24 posted on 07/20/2022 1:21:29 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Dilbert San Diego
An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker,

I'm going to guess that most of those 433 incidents were gang-related, in neighborhoods where there aren't many good guys who can pass a CCW background check.

25 posted on 07/20/2022 1:24:06 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

But Dicken’s act, though heroic, was also a statistical unicorn. An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker, according to data from the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University.


The NYT conveniently ignores the tremendous DETERRENT value of an armed population where CCW is common. That in itself is a solution.


26 posted on 07/20/2022 1:24:13 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“He stood there maybe 25 or 30 feet from the body and held that pistol pointed at him until law enforcement arrived,” Wright remembered Tuesday.

Maybe not the best idea. The cops might arrive, see him standing there with a gun in his hand, and blow his ass away.

27 posted on 07/20/2022 1:32:52 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Maybe because the vast majority of shootings were in “gun free” zones? Idiots at the NYT.

“But Dicken’s act, though heroic, was also a statistical unicorn. An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker, according to data from the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University.”


28 posted on 07/20/2022 1:33:45 PM PDT by GMLORGMD (20+ year lurker, new poster. )
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
376 trained monkeys: 0
Elishjah: 1

It's downright Biblical.

Even better, the name is pronounced as Elijah but the spelling draws in Elisha, and he goes by "Eli" for short.

This 22-year-old Can-DO man was taught by his grandfather. I hope Grandpa is still around to see the rewards.

29 posted on 07/20/2022 1:34:34 PM PDT by Ezekiel (🆘️ . . . - - - . . . "Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars ♂️)
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To: DoodleDawg

I’m used to you bloviating but I fail to see whatever point you’re trying to make in #18.


30 posted on 07/20/2022 1:45:37 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Vote Democrat and stay on the plantation!)
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To: DoodleDawg
That guarantees you nothing. You can arm everyone in town and come crunch time the most likely scenario is that most will flee, a percentage will freeze, and a small percentage will act as the Indiana hero did. It's never going to be if enough people are armed. It's will always be right person at the right time.

Is there any OBJECTIVE evidence of your assertion? I submit that people who go to the trouble of arming themselves and, God forbid, go to classes, get their CCW and take additional training are MORE likely to intervene than the population at large.

Other than Uvalde, are there examples of armed citizens cowering in fear if they have the chance to intervene?

31 posted on 07/20/2022 1:48:39 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (Prepare for the Rat false flag mass shooting diversion. (Published in early June))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States

What a coincidence. 433 is the number of cops who were standing around with their thumbs up their arses while an active shooter killed a bunch of kids in Uvalde.

32 posted on 07/20/2022 1:50:42 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Constitutional Carry went active July 1st. No word on whether this man had a previously required permit or not.

I suspect, if not, you won’t hear much about it.


33 posted on 07/20/2022 1:57:48 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“The good Samaritan guy seemed poised and under control. He appeared to be very disciplined.”

not quite the definition of TOXIC MASCULINITY

34 posted on 07/20/2022 1:58:50 PM PDT by goo goo g'joob
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Paul Kersey , Pick up the white phone You are desperately needed........


35 posted on 07/20/2022 2:04:25 PM PDT by njslim
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Their numbers are way off.

I posted an article the other day of many more incidents where good guys intervened.

See BangList keyword.


37 posted on 07/20/2022 2:11:25 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: AFreeBird

lawyer posted his license. for some reason he blacked out height and weight. maybe Hero was overweight and didnt want people to know


38 posted on 07/20/2022 2:11:28 PM PDT by RummyChick
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39 posted on 07/20/2022 2:12:25 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

looks like lawyer decided to delete the tweet showing the license


40 posted on 07/20/2022 2:13:52 PM PDT by RummyChick
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