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To: Gaffer

[It’s why they’ve removed every top possible future cross-sider from its hierarchy and installed wokes like Ms. Milley at the JCS on down.]


You’ve left out the role of guile. Maybe you believe everyone’s like you - a straight shooter who says whatever he feels, anytime he feels like it. Plenty of people know how to bide their time. There are people who understand the need to put up a facade while undermining their adversaries. Not everything’s a standup fight.

You know how even a tightly-controlled police state like the Soviet Union fell apart? Nationalists* kept their real feelings hidden while operating at the apex of the Russian empire. Yeltsin himself was a top level member of the nomenklatura, the Soviet elite. When he saw a little daylight re an opportunity to seize power, he took it.

People aren’t pawns on a chessboard. They will burrow into a job they like, entrench themselves, and lie their butts off to keep it. And when their superiors cross them in a way that they simply cannot abide, they will gut them from stem to stern.

* Leonid Kravchuk kept his dream of an independent Ukraine to himself even while rising to the top level of the Soviet elite. When the Russian empire was teetering on the edge of the abyss, he gave it a little nudge, at great personal risk. https://archive.ph/7kxSe


19 posted on 06/28/2022 1:01:23 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I think you spend too much time in reflection on history gone and irrelevant AND with comparisons of what’s happening with Ukraine, myself.

This country has devolved far beyond classic norms and reasoned approaches, IMO. The only thing left is to preserve personal response while working withing the framework within a crumbling nation. That cannot be accomplished by being one of its military fodder pawns who are test subjects for “vaccines” and “wokeism”.

Even the concept of secession is impossible because EVERY state is INFESTED with leftist scum in Democrat major cities in each that rival the numbers in the rest of the state. How do you ‘secede’ that? Why in hell would you even put this problem within the context of Ukraine or otherwise?

I will still say to any young man or woman as I said before. Forget the military. It is not only the extension of a horribly controlling administration it will ever follow the Constitution in the end. No good will ever come from that.


20 posted on 06/28/2022 1:13:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Zhang Fei

That sort of thing is an individual choice, and I think a mix of mercenary and patriot. Who knows What the future holds?

I do agree that behaving “straight up” is folly. Be wise like the serpent.

The government is looking for and inciting the public into physical confrontation, so it can demonstrate its power and cow the public into deeped submission to its tyranny.

How may good giuys are effective in the DOJ and courts? ZERO. The DOJ and Courts are having their way against political opponents. “Good ‘ol boy network” writ large.

But, see Hunt for Red October. Sometimes the burrowed rebel gets a success.


40 posted on 06/28/2022 3:15:53 AM PDT by Cboldt
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