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1 posted on 06/26/2022 9:16:25 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

Ukraine ping

The West has provided a trickle of equipment nowhere close to denting the 10 to 1 big gun advantage in Russia’s favor. Western pols highlighted the dollar amounts, 90+% of which is humanitarian aid, to distract from the measly additions to Ukraine’s arsenal. In total, Ukraine has received less than 200 howitzers. In 1964, the first year of the Vietnam War, China alone handed over 1000 artillery pieces to North Vietnam, with 64,000+ in total supplied by 1974. Russia handed over MiG-17’s, MiG-19’s and MiG-21’s, with MiG-21’s being the state-of-the-art Russian airframe of the time. It would as if the US had sent F-15’s, F-35’s and F-22’s to Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_in_the_Vietnam_War#Confronting_U.S._escalation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Brezhnev#The_Vietnam_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-17#Vietnam_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-19#Vietnam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21#Vietnam

Given the massive imbalance in firepower, sheer courage alone stands in the way of withering Russian shellfire. Unless they have a death wish, foreigners sympathetic to Ukraine’s plight would literally be more productive picketing the home of their local pol to urge them to send more howitzers and big gun ammo than volunteering in Ukraine.


2 posted on 06/26/2022 9:17:12 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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I would hope they are using their entrenching tools to dig foxholes.

This will do wonders to cut down on getting killed from artillery.

When you are not marching or fighting, you are digging your foxhole.

They still teach that in the military these days...besides CRT?


4 posted on 06/26/2022 9:23:52 PM PDT by Sapwolf (Talkers are usually more articulate than doers, since talk is their specialty. -Sowell)
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To: Zhang Fei
“Elon Musk, if you can hear me — we need help!”

No Internet connection for you?

6 posted on 06/26/2022 9:27:17 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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I read something last week saying all but a very few American volunteers have already left, not counting any special ops that might be embedded over there. Volunteers from other countries still had an average of 50% remaining, 25% dead, 25% returned home.


7 posted on 06/26/2022 9:32:58 PM PDT by jimwatx
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There is a reason why artillery is called the king of battle.

Russian guns may not be as accurate as the West, but they have a lot of them.

Ukraine has to out last Russia to win. That means they need to disable the Russian artillery faster than the Russians can use it.

This is no longer a war of maneuver or shock and awe. It is a war of attrition and logistics.


17 posted on 06/26/2022 10:05:54 PM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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It’s all fun and games until the artillery shows up.

Did anyone else notice ISIS became irrelevant once the US Marine artillery fire base reduced them to nothing in Raca, Syria?

That should be the new strategy, to go back to the old strategy: get your enemy in artillery range.


20 posted on 06/26/2022 10:10:45 PM PDT by Salvavida
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The cabal that controls Biden can spend the big money but not deliver the goods. Nixon could supply Israel during the ‘73 war with the big stuff and lots of it. These Biden zip wads really don’t care about faraway affairs and would rather misspend money at home trying to buy votes and fabricate votes.


23 posted on 06/26/2022 10:27:18 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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Elon Musk did not send you there.


24 posted on 06/26/2022 10:32:26 PM PDT by A strike (LGBFJRoberts)
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“Polak — whose nationality AFP is withholding to protect his anonymity —”

Any guesses?


27 posted on 06/26/2022 10:35:04 PM PDT by map
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Russian missiles massively rained down on Kyiv, casualties among civilians. The 123rd day of war
https://youtu.be/_fZTQBfMePc

North Saltivka district of Kharkiv remained in ruins: Prosecutors record consequences of shelling
https://youtu.be/tZUPHRGuiSU

Consequences of Russia’s missile attack on Kyiv: Russian citizen wounded by hit
https://youtu.be/srwIcaMSfxU

Russia’s Putin strives to involve the army of Belarus in the war against Ukraine
https://youtu.be/VJpQbFdcCuY


32 posted on 06/26/2022 10:57:02 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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Putin is just another Stalin and Hitler. This genocide is SOP with them.


40 posted on 06/27/2022 1:03:00 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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Setting aside the morality of the war, anyone going into it should know that this is a whole different monster. Whereas in Iraq or Afghanistan you have the overwhelming technological advantage in this you do not. In those we could wipe the board within a couple days and then your challenge is IEDs and sneak attack skirmishes. In this you are going to get missiles raining on you against an enemy with at the very least parity.


44 posted on 06/27/2022 2:06:54 AM PDT by Dragonspirit (CNN is the enemy. Ashli Babbitt is the hero.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Here’s some news.

US readying to provide Ukraine with air defense system, artillery support — source

As G7 convenes, Biden expected to announce he’s sending medium- and long-range missile system NASAMS for Ukrainians to defend themselves against continued Russian bombardments

The Times of Israel
By AP and TOI STAFF
Today, 9:48 am
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-readying-to-provide-ukraine-with-air-defense-system-artillery-support-source/

“NASAMS is the same system used by the US to protect the sensitive airspace around the White House and US Capitol in Washington.”

[Along with more artillery ammunition and radar equipment.]


45 posted on 06/27/2022 2:34:25 AM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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Wait, according to the propaganda spewed by the Western/Anglo media graciously provided daily by a few FR folks, Ukraine is winning and kicking Russia’s arse all over the place, that there is nothing but dooOom for Russia.... /s


52 posted on 06/27/2022 3:34:16 AM PDT by cranked
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So folks that could barely hold their own against a poorly armed, undiciplined force cut and run when they face a trained, well armed, enemy?


55 posted on 06/27/2022 6:08:52 AM PDT by PAR35
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