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Disillusionment Creeps In For Ukraine Volunteers Amid Combat Brutality
Barrons ^ | June 26, 2022 | By Anna MALPAS, with Blaise GAUQUELIN in Kharkiv

Posted on 06/26/2022 9:16:25 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

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To: Cathi

My observation that this war has degenerated into a logistics and attrition war has some interesting components.

Russia can produce a lot of ammo, but has a LONG supply line that occasionally gets threatened by Ukraine forces.

Ukraine does not currently have a lot of ammo production and relies on NATO nations and a LONG supply line that is not currently threatened to any great extent by Russia.


41 posted on 06/27/2022 1:21:23 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: chuckb87
The real Nazi's are in Ukraine. They volunteered to slaughter Jews in WWII. I don't like Russia or Ukraine. While the rats were crying Russia Russia it was the fat Vindemans and Ukraine trying to take out our president.
42 posted on 06/27/2022 1:24:29 AM PDT by Rdct29 (Democrats are the new Nazi's. They think they deserve total control over the people)
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To: Rdct29

Exactly. https://cairnsnews.org/2022/02/28/george-soros-has-controlled-ukraine-since-2012/


43 posted on 06/27/2022 1:53:52 AM PDT by carikadon (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: Zhang Fei

Setting aside the morality of the war, anyone going into it should know that this is a whole different monster. Whereas in Iraq or Afghanistan you have the overwhelming technological advantage in this you do not. In those we could wipe the board within a couple days and then your challenge is IEDs and sneak attack skirmishes. In this you are going to get missiles raining on you against an enemy with at the very least parity.


44 posted on 06/27/2022 2:06:54 AM PDT by Dragonspirit (CNN is the enemy. Ashli Babbitt is the hero.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Here’s some news.

US readying to provide Ukraine with air defense system, artillery support — source

As G7 convenes, Biden expected to announce he’s sending medium- and long-range missile system NASAMS for Ukrainians to defend themselves against continued Russian bombardments

The Times of Israel
By AP and TOI STAFF
Today, 9:48 am
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-readying-to-provide-ukraine-with-air-defense-system-artillery-support-source/

“NASAMS is the same system used by the US to protect the sensitive airspace around the White House and US Capitol in Washington.”

[Along with more artillery ammunition and radar equipment.]


45 posted on 06/27/2022 2:34:25 AM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Rdct29

While that may be true, World War 2 ended over 75 years ago and it’s now little more than a “sins of the great grandfather” argument.

Putin’s a fan of that rhetoric; he’s also talked about two generations of Ukrainians having to be pacified and punished for the conflict that took place between 2014 and 2019.

That kind of argument has limited mileage outside of the heads of those who are invested in multigenerational ideological warfare. And genocide apologists.

It’s a bit difficult for Russia to keep playing the “we actually came in peace and we’re only attacking nazis in a very short termed peacekeeping mission” card after indiscriminately flattening hundreds of towns and villages, and at least two cities; rounding up tens of thousands of kids for shipping to new parents in Russia; erasing the very existence of Ukraine from their domestic school curriculum; adding five other countries to their “also need Denazification” list; and threatening to nuke London over Christmas.

London is a world trade city where half the regular population isn’t British and hundreds of countries have sizeable communities. But a few weeks ago Russia talked about destroying England with a tidal wave triggered off the Atlantic coast...

of the Republic of Ireland, which (a) has no dog in this fight and (b) does actually exist physically although the Russian mapmakers missed that memo.

A country that proposes to wipe a completely uninvolved country off the global map in order to hurt one that is the other side of it, and separated from it not just by a sea but by a bleeding mountain range, has gone Full Nazi Retard.


46 posted on 06/27/2022 2:34:59 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: chuckb87
He's mixed up on his Nazis.


47 posted on 06/27/2022 2:55:23 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bagster

Surprise! War is no fun...news at 11!


48 posted on 06/27/2022 3:05:44 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: chuckb87

So, you’re a “Nazi” if you think America should secure its own borders, deter the (real) enemy Red China, and stay out of a Eurotrash vs. Russia slap fight. What’s that person going to call you next? “Climate denier?” “Domestic terrorist?” “Fascist?” “Homophobe?” “Racist?” “Sexist?” “Transphobe?” “White nationalist?” Will that person accuse you of being at the Capitol on January 6, an “insurrection worse than 9/11?” Heavens to Betsy, no!


49 posted on 06/27/2022 3:14:26 AM PDT by Big Brother Go to Hell
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To: Travis McGee

Those quixotic neocons who want to fight a dragon and windmills, ahem “Nazis,” need to leave Russia alone for much greener pastures. Red China is a *real* dragon far scarier than Russia, and Ukraine has plenty of *actual* Nazis (like the ones in that picture).


50 posted on 06/27/2022 3:18:45 AM PDT by Big Brother Go to Hell
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To: EnderWiggin1970
"This is the Western way of war: Make an inadequate effort, stretch out the carnage and achieve higher casualties and damage on both sides, and then give up and pull out.
Just *why* this is the Western way of war is something of a mystery to me.

Because our ruling class are virtue-signaling twats who make a lot of money from losing Third World wars.

51 posted on 06/27/2022 3:28:43 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Wait, according to the propaganda spewed by the Western/Anglo media graciously provided daily by a few FR folks, Ukraine is winning and kicking Russia’s arse all over the place, that there is nothing but dooOom for Russia.... /s


52 posted on 06/27/2022 3:34:16 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Zhang Fei

Maybe the wiser course would be to save our own and weapons of war for that war with China that’s common and the greater war with Russia rather than giving them away to be sold on the black market to Ukraine


53 posted on 06/27/2022 3:55:16 AM PDT by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum )
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To: Zhang Fei
Nazis like you are cheering Russia on, so you do give a crap, which is you keep commenting on these threads. Watching Russia turn Ukrainians into hamburger is perhaps the next best thing to turning on the Zyklon B at Auschwitz or butchering Jews at Babi Yar. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course. Germans gonna German.

Typical juvenile reductio ad hitlerum. Where were your tears for the disenfranchised Eastern and Southern Ukraine after the Euromaiden Color Revolution overthrew their Democratically elected President? Why were you not concerned about the autonomous Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk being shelled by Kiev for 8 years?
54 posted on 06/27/2022 5:46:23 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Zhang Fei

So folks that could barely hold their own against a poorly armed, undiciplined force cut and run when they face a trained, well armed, enemy?


55 posted on 06/27/2022 6:08:52 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Widget Jr

In so far as I specifically compared the Mig 21 to the F-16, I don’t understand how you could possibly have misunderstood me. I was speaking of the Soviet transfer to North Vietnam. I wasn’t speaking about KGB Russia’s invasion forces in Ukraine.


56 posted on 06/28/2022 12:10:41 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: Big Brother Go to Hell

Russia is allied to China and only invaded Ukraine after the Olympics. You are objectivey pro-PRC


57 posted on 06/28/2022 12:11:45 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: rmlew

#56. My apologies! I forget that after the sun goes down, my ability to think walk and chew gum, or think and post, declines rapidly.


58 posted on 06/28/2022 1:01:42 AM PDT by Widget Jr (Disobey your television.)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

This is the Western way of war: Make an inadequate effort, stretch out the carnage and achieve higher casualties and damage on both sides, and then give up and pull out.

Just *why* this is the Western way of war is something of a mystery to me.

The Military industrial Complex is waiting for the defense spending checks to clear.


59 posted on 06/28/2022 5:12:36 AM PDT by Flick Lives
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To: Zhang Fei

The Russians are turning Ukraine into piles of rubble leavened with meat scraps unless it surrenders...

This tends to happen in war.


60 posted on 06/28/2022 5:15:14 AM PDT by Flick Lives
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