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To: Brilliant

Why is there an amendment needed for that?

Pretty sure unless the carpetbaggers post civil war did something I am not aware of, the constitution is still in the mindset of the framers, which was they may leave if they decide the gov is tyrantical


24 posted on 06/20/2022 1:06:39 PM PDT by SPDSHDW (Buy JHP ammo, Level 3/4 armor and rifles. Won’t be able to for much longer, and we’re gonna need em)
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To: SPDSHDW

I don’t see that in the constitution. Certainly did not work in the civil war. But if the constitution were amended to let certain states secede, I don’t think anyone could dispute their right to do so.

Or for that matter, if the constitution were amended to kick out certain states, I don’t think anyone could dispute the validity of that. The constitution is the highest law in the land. Nothing overrides it.


32 posted on 06/20/2022 1:16:54 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SPDSHDW
Pretty sure unless the carpetbaggers post civil war did something I am not aware of, the constitution is still in the mindset of the framers, which was they may leave if they decide the gov is tyrantical

The Founders sent George a Dear John George letter and called it The Declaration of Independence. That was probably illegal and the Founders could have been arrested.


35 posted on 06/20/2022 1:17:14 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SPDSHDW
the mindset of the framers, which was they may leave if they decide the gov is tyrantical

I think you're paraphrase is a slight misstatement of what they said.

The Founders said that when a form of government becomes tyrannical, it is the right of the people to throw it off and institute another. The Declaration of Independence was the document that founded the nation; the Constitution created our federated form of government.

The Declaration of Independence was an irrevocable mutual "pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor" to form a new nation. It took the Articles of Confederation, and throwing off the Articles of Confederation, before we arrived at the Constitution, our government document.

Throwing off the Articles of Confederation was not leaving the nation, it was only changing the form of government. Our Constitution has Article V as the mechanism to change the government; throwing off the Constitution is not seceding from the country.

The only way to throw off the tyrannical government is to amend the Constitution to rein it in, eliminate the parts we don't like, and add new ones to it with the consent of the states.

Secession violates the mutual pledge between the states at its founding, and is not an option.

-PJ

85 posted on 06/20/2022 3:12:47 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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