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Toyota’s prototype 'cartridge' is a way to make hydrogen portable
Engadget ^ | June 2nd, 2022 | S. Dent

Posted on 06/02/2022 7:52:32 PM PDT by American Number 181269513

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In its press release, Toyota acknowledges that most hydrogen is made from fossil fuels and so not exactly green. But it thinks that it'll be generated with low carbon emissions in the future, and that the cartridges could help with some of the infrastructure issues.

Seems as though almost everything depends on fossil fuels. But maybe a breakthrough using windmills to make hydrogen is on the horizon.


1 posted on 06/02/2022 7:52:32 PM PDT by American Number 181269513
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To: American Number 181269513

If this catches on, the hydrogen market will really explode.


2 posted on 06/02/2022 7:59:53 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives want to demoralize people so that they are afraid to be ambitious.)
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To: American Number 181269513

Wow. Toyota just invented the gas cylinder.


3 posted on 06/02/2022 8:01:42 PM PDT by cockroach_magoo
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4 posted on 06/02/2022 8:02:02 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: American Number 181269513

If the hydrogen economy took off, it would be easy to create the hydrogen in the middle of the desert by pumping sea water from the coast to Death Valley and process it there.


5 posted on 06/02/2022 8:04:43 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Just as Jimmy Carter was thankful for Obama, Obama is thankful for Joe Bidon.)
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Hydrogen form really tight bonds with oxygen which is why it takes a tremendous amount of energy to strip those bonds via electrolysis and using fossil fuels makes no sense as you will waste more energy creating the hydrogen then you would get from the hydrogen it self.

Yes like a true freeper I did not read the entire article.

6 posted on 06/02/2022 8:05:06 PM PDT by LukeL
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If you could crack it off from the hydrocarbon chains and then sequester the carbon with a net positive energy result it could interesting.


7 posted on 06/02/2022 8:09:14 PM PDT by 31R1O
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To: American Number 181269513

What could go wrong?</sarc>😆

Just like all their “solutions”.


8 posted on 06/02/2022 8:09:16 PM PDT by TianaHighrider (God moved David to STAND UP to Goliath ❣)
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To: LukeL

All fuel, to make it usuable, has high costs.
That, imo, is just the cost of having a society.


9 posted on 06/02/2022 8:09:51 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Just as Jimmy Carter was thankful for Obama, Obama is thankful for Joe Bidon.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I see what you did there.

Good one.


10 posted on 06/02/2022 8:09:58 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: American Number 181269513

“Toyota seems to be pitching the cartridges for personal and home use, but it’s not yet clear what you’d use them for.”

To store energy in the form of hydrogen extracted from water, using your backyard solar farm or your basement thorium reactor. Duh.


11 posted on 06/02/2022 8:11:18 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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Sure but with oil, coal, and natural gas nature did the majority of the work of converting material into a usable fuel source so there is a net gain when refining such fuels. Creating hydrogen from fossil fuels is like putting a windmill on your car to charge your batteries when you drive, the increase in drag negates any positive gain.


12 posted on 06/02/2022 8:14:49 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: American Number 181269513

Nicest looking bomb I’ve ever seen.


13 posted on 06/02/2022 8:15:27 PM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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But maybe a breakthrough using windmills to make hydrogen is on the horizon.

There's a physics problem to solve when it comes to hydrogen, it's a very efficient fuel to use... but it costs more energy to make than you get out of it, and it's a challenge to store and transport safely. If Toyota has a handle on the last bit, it's down to figuring out how to address where the hydrogen comes from.

Solar,hydro,and wind can sort of address the hydrogen generation issues up to a point, you're not paying for the environmental energy, just the equipment, and with the inconsistent nature of "green" energy sources, filling up batteries/cartridges may be a good use for them. The problem then is one of scale. You're going to need a whole lot of generating capacity (and sunk costs for equipment and infrastructure) for a relatively meager quantity of charged hydrogen cartridges, and to double that capacity takes more than double the additional investment.

14 posted on 06/02/2022 8:17:41 PM PDT by jz638
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To: 31R1O

Metal hydride storage


15 posted on 06/02/2022 8:18:21 PM PDT by bigbob
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I still have some mil surplus lithium hydride cylinders that downed pilots used to make hydrogen to inflate balloons that were used as antenna supports for Gibson Girl emergency transmitters. Just drop them in water to run the process.


16 posted on 06/02/2022 8:20:33 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: American Number 181269513

So, what’s the yield of one of those puppies when it cooks off?


17 posted on 06/02/2022 8:28:47 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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ISWYDT

CC


18 posted on 06/02/2022 8:37:16 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: American Number 181269513
Hydrogen has a atomic weight of 1.

This means that it can pass through most anything (leakage).

A changeable cartridge means seals/o-rings being used/abused…a leak looking for a ignition source.

19 posted on 06/02/2022 8:40:38 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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Once they have a working prototype that does work, they make it bigger for vehicle use.


20 posted on 06/02/2022 8:42:15 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Just as Jimmy Carter was thankful for Obama, Obama is thankful for Joe Bidon.)
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