Posted on 05/26/2022 6:51:59 AM PDT by TigerClaws
Shocking new video has emerged showing Texas cops restraining parents as they tried to rescue their kids on Tuesday after a gunman unleashed terror inside the elementary school, as questions grow over why it took so long to get to the shooter after the first 911 call.
Salvador Ramos, 18, arrived at the school in Uvalde at 11.30am, crashing his car into a ditch.
A school resource officer was at the scene but he failed to stop him from making his way inside.
Two other cops also rushed to the school at that time - Ramos had just shot his grandmother in the face at their home less than five miles away. She survived and called the police.
When they arrived, Ramos is said to have shot at them then ran into the school, where he barricaded himself in the fourth grade classroom and shot 19 kids and two teachers dead.
It took another 90 minutes from that point for police to declare the shooting over.
Now, sources say police were struggling to get into the classroom and needed a key to open the door.
Eventually, a border patrol agent was able to get inside and the shooting was declared over at 1.06pm.
But it questions remain over why it took police so long to get into the classroom where the kids were trapped with the gunman.
One child told KENS 5 that he was able to hide under a desk, but that a girl who yelled out 'help' when police arrived was executed.
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I hope so too. And I also wish that if I do face that situation, there is nobody in my way.
Just saw this in The Daily Mail:
When one smashes a window, there is noise - the shooter would naturally look in that direction. Put yourself in an individual policeman’s [SIC] shoes: there you stand, exposed, while an armed and demonstrated murderer turns his attention on you. You probably can’t see in as well as he can see out. He has at least some cover while you probably have none.
Who is likely to come out on top of that tactical situation?
Even if you successfully break in, the kids might panic, run from whatever cover they have and be shot trying to climb out. Even if they aren’t shot, they are likely to get cut climbing out unless you have rubber matting to cover the glass shards.
Who wants to die instead of go home to their wife and kids? Regular police in a town of around 18,000 people (perhaps with limited budgets???) aren’t always fully trained for SWAT, are they?
I’m thinking this probably isn’t as simple as it seems.
And I’m guessing they themselves were probably ordered to wait for a hostage negotiator and the professionally trained SWAT team.
Just my two cents, with an alternate viewpoint.
Is this one of those awful schools with no windows in the classrooms?
> water-damped demo charges that will just create
> an instant entry
It looks like a tiny town; Texas is big and it seems to have taken SWAT time to travel there. Not every police department has explosives training - and you probably know better than I do that it’s not simple to place charges without potentially killing or injuring the tiny folks inside.
Depends on how high the windows were and how big. Some schools don’t have classroom windows, at least one of mine was like that. Some have very narrow windows, we called the one in another town a prison because the skinny windows looked like what a prison might have. A little kid could squeeze through but an adult couldn’t. Not sure about this school.
Hostage situations are _always_ hard, right? Can one be absolutely certain one wouldn’t accidentally shoot some kid with a ricochet, etc...? The target(s) is/are moving, the lighting uncertain, with kids crying, noise, confusion... How do you identify the target for certain in that situation? Maybe he’s hiding behind a desk and darts out to shoot...
How do you know for sure which class room he’s in? How do you know he hasn’t moved?
I’m guessing things aren’t always as simple as they seem.
Do you want to be the one sued after a round pierces the walls/goes out a window and lodges in some bystander or someone in a nearby home? Maybe you get seriously injured or killed on top of that; maybe you’ve already been ordered to wait.
I wonder if that could be enough to discourage someone making a working man’s salary.
Has it been confirmed that it was this kid who was one of the two who made the threat? I thought it was possible he was but couldn’t find confirmation.
> IF we can spend thousands of dollars NOT teaching
> the 3 “R’s”-—then we can spend part of that $$$ on
> retired military to guard our kids.
Nah, the budget has already been exceeded at that point. Never under-estimate the ability of people to waste money on pointless things. /s
So that explains why the SWAT guy has five staples in his head now, and that’s why the perp is dead - because the police are historians?
- Devil’s advocate
Yep. Someone failed to lock the door. Either the janitor, or the resource officer, or whomever’s job it was, assuming that locking the door was standard policy and someone had that responsibility during school hours.
Are you absolutely certain that an untrained individual, or group of unarmed individuals could charge into a hostage situation without themselves getting hurt and potentially providing themselves as more hostages/victims?
- Devil’s advocate
> Time to prosecute families who keep ‘protecting’
> such predators.
How wonderful to observe free citizens on Free Republic advocating not only to prosecute someone for thought crimes, but also advocating that their families also be charged!!!
The Communists and Marxists would be so proud of you!!!
/s
Yep. Someone failed to lock the door. Either the janitor, or the resource officer, or whomever’s job it was, assuming that locking the door was standard policy and someone had that responsibility during school hours.
Remember that school in DC years ago where a black principal turned the place from a failure to a success with tough love? They made a movie called “Lean on Me” about him. One scene he caught hell because he insisted on locking or chaining the extra doors shut to keep the drug dealers from sneaking in. On the other hand, the fire Department would consider that a hazard.
There’s a report that a teacher propped it open one minute before shooter entered it. Nypost.com
Because they were so busy sniveling and whining is why the three charged in and killed the perp; and why the one guy took a round in his ballistic shield and the other took a bullet to his scalp that required five staples...right?
- Devil’s advocate
This crap about waiting on a key has to be BS. There were other people in that school who had a key. Get real.
> no proof that Ramos was an illegal alien.
Could that be because there are millions of Texan citizens of Mexican descent? Could that be because some Mexicans spilled their own blood defending Texas in the battle at the Alamo? Could that be because we have many brave, upstanding men in the United States armed forces who are of Mexican ancestry that are now citizens?
If there is not yet any proof, then there is not yet any proof. Accept it for what it is: not _all_ crimes are perpetrated by illegal aliens (i.e. non-citizens who entered the country unlawfully). Maybe you haven’t noticed, but when it comes to crime, it really is equal opportunity.
From your own words, you appear to be an armchair quarter back without any experience in hostage situations.
Exactly. One report says no cops went in. Yet another says cops went in to get their own kids. How does anyone know that those kids, if this happened, were the cops’ kids, and not someone else’s? Either they went in, or they didn’t. If they did, how did they separate out the kids to get only their own? If they were only getting their own kids, then the report that one girl was shot when a cop asked her to speak up probably means the cop’s daughter was shot, or else it means the cops were not just selectively trying to rescue only their own kids. If the cops were waiting for a key, then at least one cop knew the door needed one, which means at least one was in there trying the door to see if it was locked. Yet another report says a woman went in and got her kids only. If that is true, how did she find only her kids, and how could she leave others she saw on the way in and out behind? Blinders? Why didn’t any follow her and their classmates out? Why didn’t kids follow the cops wgo were supposedly taking only their own kids, if that story is true?
I think there is a certain former community activist out there, trying with his media and silicon valley friends, to make a bad thing exponentially worse by flooding the news cycle with emotionally engaging misinfo, in order to use the resulting outrage to continue his war on local policing, so that his pals can push for their goal of nationalizing or globalizing law enforcement. It would be expected of authorities to prevent people, even parents, from rushing into a building while the SWAT team is inside trying to get through a locked classroom door, for fear the crowd might get shot by the perp or by the SWAT team, or fear the perp has a buddy in there somewhere, waiting to shoot first responders, or fear the peep might slip out among the crowd. Similarly, fire department personnel try to prevent people from entering burning buildings. It might not have been the best policy for all situations, and may have prevented lives from being saved, but it is understandable. That policy needs review, but it does into the national trend of not letting experts in the field second guess policy makers on high.
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