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Ukraine: Russia must withdraw to pre-war positions for talks
AP ^ | May 25, 2022 | RICARDO MAZALAN

Posted on 05/25/2022 4:13:34 AM PDT by McGruff

Ukraine’s president said Wednesday that Russia must pull back to its pre-war positions as a first step before diplomatic talks, a negotiating line that Moscow is unlikely to agree to anytime soon.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he currently sees no willingness on the part of Russia to resume earnest negotiations on ending the three-month war.

“At the beginning, there was an impression that we can move ahead, that there would be a certain result or some outcome of those talks. But it all has stalled,” Zelenskyy said through an interpreter by video link to attendees at this year’s World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
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To: Williams

Why do you have such an irrational hatred for Putin? What did he ever do to you?


41 posted on 05/25/2022 5:18:46 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Renfrew

Russia knows the Biden administration is a joke. Sure....you can ship all the weaponry you want and prolong this mess but Ukraine will only end up more destroyed and reduced to an ash heap.

Diplomacy is what failed before this even started. Biden FAILED again. Impeach him now......


42 posted on 05/25/2022 5:21:25 AM PDT by blackberry1
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To: MuttTheHoople

Exactly my take on this mess.


43 posted on 05/25/2022 5:22:15 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: McGruff

Z saying something so stupid means that the US has told him not to negotiate. Z’s bank account must be rising sharply.Uke losses in donbass have really picked up steam this week.


44 posted on 05/25/2022 5:24:08 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Renfrew; Steven Tyler

“It seems like you have no understanding of this war.”

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I can’t help you, if you’re idiotic.


45 posted on 05/25/2022 5:24:39 AM PDT by jacknhoo ( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
I will be honest with all of you- I have absolutely NO IDEA what's going on in this war.

See here for the current SITREP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x05pMk0hzO8

Basically, a World War I type situation has developed in eastern Ukraine. Both sides are pounding each other along a static line that's barely changed in the past month. The war has been very intense and everyone is physically exhausted.

If a new Ukraine-Russia border is established at the current FLOT (forward line of troops), I think this is a result both sides can live with. Russia completes their land bridge to the Black Sea and repatriates a majority of the Russian-speaking citizens in Ukraine. Ukraine maintains most of its territorial integrity while still having access to the Black Sea at Odessa.

However, I think the Russians will continue to fight. They would like the new border to be further west and right now, there is probably a better chance the Ukrainian defense collapses before the Russian offensive does, though this is debatable.

46 posted on 05/25/2022 5:25:24 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: McGruff

So you can keep pounding the Donbass with artillery? You had a chance to talk back then under those same conditions. Now Donetsk and Lugansk are gone and declared independence.
These clowns just don’t get it.


47 posted on 05/25/2022 5:26:42 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: wastedyears

I laugh when I hear that.

In an open market the ruble would be worth less than used toilet paper. When you have markets where foreign investors are not allowed to sell….well, that’s not really a market is it?

Capital is not moving into Russia. At all.

And it’s a shame. If Russia went the route of China in the 1990’s they would have fared so much better. They have the resources, land, and they had a decent population. Instead, they acted like greedy little pigs. The leaders of Russia stole generations worth of wealth to fund their yachts and excessive lifestyles.

But yeah, the ruble is “strong.” What a joke.


48 posted on 05/25/2022 5:29:03 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: jacknhoo

Pretty clear you don’t then have any explanation for how Putin can actually win this thing.


49 posted on 05/25/2022 5:29:22 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: McGruff

And gave his Davos performance wearing that same green T-shirt. Obviously he was just back from the fighting and heading right back out. /s This is such a propaganda show with this con artist nation.


50 posted on 05/25/2022 5:33:23 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Renfrew

Show the world what was going on down in the Azovstal plant.


51 posted on 05/25/2022 5:40:04 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Renfrew; Steven Tyler; jacknhoo

Beyond the immediate conditions, consider the outcome if we are perceived by the world as losing this war. And, we don’t have to lose big to lose.

Let’s say at the end of the year, we are in roughly the same spot militarily, with no win in sight. We have built this crisis on the presumption we are going to ‘defeat’ the Russians. If we do not, the world and NATO will blame us.


52 posted on 05/25/2022 5:40:15 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Vermont Lt

Since so many believe the media:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-may-ease-key-fx-082432145.html

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/russian-ruble-surges-on-report-some-capital-controls-may-ease-up-11653317435

https://www.thestreet.com/latest-news/why-is-the-ruble-getting-stronger

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-03-29/card/ruble-continues-to-strengthen-following-russian-central-bank-measures-V1jiHzoY0gzf5U8zcuYg


53 posted on 05/25/2022 5:43:26 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

DC is constantly attacking the American people in countless ways. Seeing them lost their trumped up war and getting humiliated would weaken them and be good for our future.


54 posted on 05/25/2022 5:45:51 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

It would badly damage the WEF Davos DC London globalism project. If they prevail it would embolden DC.


55 posted on 05/25/2022 5:48:20 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: MuttTheHoople
I will be honest with all of you- I have absolutely NO IDEA what's going on in this war.

That's because there are two distinct opposite truths being reported.

56 posted on 05/25/2022 5:56:15 AM PDT by Pollard (If there's a question mark in the headline, the answer should always be No.)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think; Renfrew; Steven Tyler

Russia is intent on winning this war and we have a very weak and compromised administration leading this nation.

Russia is also at this very moment executing their winning strategy in the Mideast and Africa (Syria, Sudan, Mali, etc.) while also performing in Ukraine.

Their goal is to MRGA and with our administration that is wholly anti-American they certainly have a path to victory.

The USA is sitting on their hands exhausting all our efforts and resources in Ukraine while the Russia/China/Iran axis are building new alliances with nations left out in the cold.

Even Canada is already anticipating the collapse of the USA.


57 posted on 05/25/2022 5:57:20 AM PDT by jacknhoo ( Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Steven Tyler
2) Russia can de-nazify the brainwashed, predominately in eastern Ukraine

When will Putin de-nazify Washington DC? Curious minds 'n all that.

58 posted on 05/25/2022 5:58:34 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: DesertRhino
And gave his Davos performance wearing that same green T-shirt. Obviously he was just back from the fighting and heading right back out. /s This is such a propaganda show with this con artist nation.

Heard on the radio that the company that makes the jacket he wears can't keep up with demands. Silly people the world over are buying them up. It was reported like a public interest story because Zelensky is a star after all.


59 posted on 05/25/2022 6:04:26 AM PDT by Pollard (If there's a question mark in the headline, the answer should always be No.)
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To: Renfrew
It looks like it's coming down to a war of attrition that could last some time. The big questions are how long will the west fund Ukraine and what will be left of the country that is being pounded every day?

I think the $40 billion gift might have been a one time thing. In any case, things might change drastically in Washington by November.

60 posted on 05/25/2022 6:05:33 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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