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To: HandyDandy

I live in a no-spin zone by choice. You ought to try it sometime as you’re less likely to end up dizzy or stuck in circular reasoning. Don’t know why I keep trying to get it through your thick skull. Maybe I’m a glutton for punishment so I’ll give it another go.

Get out a piece of paper and a pencil and show me how you can chemically arrive at phosgene gas (COCl2) from a R-12 Dichlorodifluoromethane (CCl2F2) gas while pulling said R-12 gas through a 1/4” ID 2’ foot length hose into and through a burning propane (C₃H₈) flame. Show your work.

Answer is: it’s chemically impossible but try it anyway just for fun. I suppose you’ll move on to nerve gas (or some version thereof) next because that’s the only one(s) left for you to carry on about. Give it up as you obviously know absolutely nothing about chemistry (or don’t want to know). In addition, work on your reading comprehension, logic, and reasoning skills as it will get you further in life than believing the massive amounts of misinformation on the inter-web.


88 posted on 05/24/2022 5:05:06 PM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: LastDayz
I don’t need to show you with paper and pencil. You have proven it to yourself many times. You proved it for yourself every time you saw a blue/green flame with your old school tester. I don’t care if you use butane, propane, propylene or oxyacetylene. It is the heat that causes the chemical reaction. And I ain’t no chemist. Any danged fool knows that you don’t put an open flame anywhere near R12. I first heard that in the seventies. By the eighties it was common knowledge. It produces toxic fumes such as phosgene (just maybe not specifically “mustard gas”). Besides, your outdated old fashioned sniffer also had a copper disc. Is the copper in your equation? Here’s another copy and paste for you:
“Phosgene may also be produced during testing for leaks of older-style refrigerant gases. Chloromethanes (R12, R22 and others) were formerly leak-tested in situ by employing a small gas torch (propane, butane or propylene gas) with a sniffer tube and a copper reaction plate in the flame nozzle of the torch. If any refrigerant gas was leaking from a pipe or joint, the gas would be sucked into the flame via the sniffer tube and would cause a colour change of the gas flame to a bright greenish blue. In the process, phosgene gas would be created due to the thermal reaction. No valid statistics are available, but anecdotal reports suggest that numerous refrigeration technicians suffered the effects of phosgene poisoning due to their ignorance of the toxicity of phosgene, produced during such leak testing. Electronic sensing of refrigerant gases phased out the use of flame testing for leaks in the 1980s. Similarly, phosgene poisoning is a consideration for people fighting fires that are occurring in the vicinity of freon refrigeration equipment, smoking in the vicinity of a freon leak, or fighting fires using halon or halotron.”
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Phosgene

You are becoming redundant, which forces me to be redundant. But I have my limits.

89 posted on 05/24/2022 7:10:26 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Life is what you make it.)
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