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To: LastDayz
I don’t need to show you with paper and pencil. You have proven it to yourself many times. You proved it for yourself every time you saw a blue/green flame with your old school tester. I don’t care if you use butane, propane, propylene or oxyacetylene. It is the heat that causes the chemical reaction. And I ain’t no chemist. Any danged fool knows that you don’t put an open flame anywhere near R12. I first heard that in the seventies. By the eighties it was common knowledge. It produces toxic fumes such as phosgene (just maybe not specifically “mustard gas”). Besides, your outdated old fashioned sniffer also had a copper disc. Is the copper in your equation? Here’s another copy and paste for you:
“Phosgene may also be produced during testing for leaks of older-style refrigerant gases. Chloromethanes (R12, R22 and others) were formerly leak-tested in situ by employing a small gas torch (propane, butane or propylene gas) with a sniffer tube and a copper reaction plate in the flame nozzle of the torch. If any refrigerant gas was leaking from a pipe or joint, the gas would be sucked into the flame via the sniffer tube and would cause a colour change of the gas flame to a bright greenish blue. In the process, phosgene gas would be created due to the thermal reaction. No valid statistics are available, but anecdotal reports suggest that numerous refrigeration technicians suffered the effects of phosgene poisoning due to their ignorance of the toxicity of phosgene, produced during such leak testing. Electronic sensing of refrigerant gases phased out the use of flame testing for leaks in the 1980s. Similarly, phosgene poisoning is a consideration for people fighting fires that are occurring in the vicinity of freon refrigeration equipment, smoking in the vicinity of a freon leak, or fighting fires using halon or halotron.”
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Phosgene

You are becoming redundant, which forces me to be redundant. But I have my limits.

89 posted on 05/24/2022 7:10:26 PM PDT by HandyDandy (Life is what you make it.)
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To: HandyDandy

Any danged fool knows that a Halide detector will not produce phosgene, mustard, or nerve gases of any kind. The appearance of the greenish flame is the chlorine in the R-12 reacting with the propane flame which allows one to determine the leak location in the A/C system. No copper disc in this unit. Squawk all ya want about phosgene but you’re just flat out wrong about the Halide detector. Wiki..... really? Wiki’s chock full of misinformation but since you’re relying on it: “No valid statistics are available...”, therefore no valid data. Well informed for years of the various methods of leak detection so there’s nothing you can say that I don’t already know.

I’ll choose redundant any day of the week over obtuse. Now, away with you as my patience has worn thin from your nonsense. I’ll not engage you any further as neither of us are budging from our position and I’m fairly certain the last word will be yours.... LOL.


90 posted on 05/24/2022 11:07:43 PM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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