Authorities: Hate against Taiwanese led to church attack

Thanks for saying that. I’m sorry if I got the wrong impression.

Your ideas of resentment, FYI, are the sort of things ChiComs say. It’s nonsense. That’s why I got the impression.

If anything the newcomers resented Taiwanese, thinking they were too Japanese. They’d just been fighting the Japanese for years.

Some Taiwanese did resent the Chinese government that took over for suppressing Taiwanese language and certain Taiwanese specific religious practices.

This is true but is exaggerated I think a bit from leftist types.

But there could be real oppression, prison and death, if the government was criticized about this.

The Chinese who went to Taiwan after the war and after 1949 had all the power and they used it.

Creepy

In your #26 on this thread you wrote: “228 is more a reason Taiwanese hate the Chinese who took over after Japan’s surrender. 228 was a purge of Taiwanese over months after the Feb 288 incident. 20 - 40 thousand Taiwanese disappeared after midnight knocks on the door.”

You call the islanders “Taiwanese” and the mainlanders “Chinese”. The thing is, over 95% of the population of island of Taiwan is Han. The ROC mainlanders who fled there were likewise predominantly Han. Taiwan was part of the Chinese Empire (albeit rather briefly after its stint as a Dutch colony) before the Japanese decided to try their hand at being a colonial power and conquered and colonized it in 1895 (their first colony) during the First Sino-Japanese War.

It’s not Chinese vs Taiwanese any more than it’s Americans vs Padre Islanders. They’re all American or Chinese, some live on an island, some on the mainland. In the case of China and the island of Taiwan, they were all Chinese, and nearly all the islanders belong to the same ethno-linguistic group as the mainlanders who fled there in the late 1940s: Han. Han Chinese.

You yourself said the islanders “hated” the mainlanders. I said they resented them and even hated them. Where’s the problem? And can you blame the islanders for resenting or hating the mainlanders after 228?

And yes, the mainlanders weren’t too happy the islanders had fought in the Japanese army, etc.

Where is your beef?

You’re just off base and off kilter.

I say Taiwanese and Chinese.

Taiwanese are the people, whose families had been living on Taiwan for centuries or millennia before 1945.

Chinese are those who moved after, most in 1949.

The terms in Chinese are 外省人 and 本省人. Waishengren and benshengren, the Chinese who went in 49 vs those already there in families that had been in Taiwan for centuries, respectively.

It has nothing to do with race. (Although with respect to aboriginals who’ve been there for millennia it is racial — except in the U.S. they’d be the same race).

Nothing to do with race.

“You yourself said the islanders “hated” the mainlanders.”

I said no such thing.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4063759/posts?page=26#26

“228 is more a reason Taiwanese hate the Chinese who took over after Japan’s surrender. 228 was a purge of Taiwanese over months after the Feb 288 incident. 20 - 40 thousand Taiwanese disappeared after midnight knocks on the door.”

If Taiwanese = benshengren = islander, and Chinese = waishengren = mainlanders ... then didn’t you indeed say that?

It seems we both agree there were understably tensions between the benshengren/islanders and the waishengren/mainlanders in the first decades of the ROC. The ordinary people in both groups had been through terrible times and both continued to suffer in different ways (many of the ordinary mainlanders arrived penniless and without the extended family so important to economic and social success in that culture and therefore found it very difficult to make an adequate living). We agree race has nothing to with it.

It seems to me we pretty much agree, but are simply using different words.

Chou was born within seven years after his parents arrived on Taiwan, and remembered his childhood as difficult and the islanders as not welcoming, probably sensed the tensions — or perhaps his parents later told him that was why they moved to the States *if* they brought him here before he was grown and so he might just “remember”. Who knows? We don’t know the timeline.

The media is trying to paint it as a “hate crime” committed by a “Chinese” man (implication he is a commie originally from the PRC when in fact he is from Taiwan himself born into an anti-commie family) against Taiwanese.

The real story is he has brain damage after that savage beating, his life unravelled, he lost everything he worked for, left homeless as an old man without help or hope, ruminating over whatever childhood trauma he endured during those difficult times in Taiwan, his broken brain seized on blaming his fellow Taiwanese and off he went to shoot some.

What he did was horrific. A terrible crime. But was it a “hate crime”? Can someone with a broken brain commit a “hate crime” in the sense they mean? Against his own race/ethnicity? Seems a stretch to me. But it fits the racist-racist-racist “hate crime” narrative they want to push.

It seems people whose brains are broken, whether from severe mental illness or brain damage or whatever, when violent impulses are a feature of the illness/damage, they latch onto some “reason” no matter how illogical for those impupses and to find a target for them, and so direct their violence at someone or a group of someones.

One of the weirder cases was the Nashville Christmas bomber:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nashville_bombing#Search_for_motives

When his mind fell apart, it seized on wild conspiracy theories and suicide-bombing the AT&T building. Bizarre indeed. But was it “domestic terrororism”? No, it was just a crazy guy.

We humans want things to make sense, for there to be reasons for things that happen. In some times and places, if tragedy befell a person or community, in their shock and anger they blamed witch’s curses.

Even the mentally unstable seem to search for reasons and causes for their own instability. When his mind went to pot and his life coming apart, the Nashville bomber guy turned to whacky conspiracy theories he found on the internet and somehow melded them with his former employer (also his father’s former employer). At the time, some wondered if the whacky 5G conspiracy theories were mixed in somehow.

The mentally-ill kid who so callously shot all those innocent people in the grocery store on Saturday apparently became obsessed with mass shootings and whacky white supremacy garbage he found on 4chan. Was he trying to find a “reason” or “cause” for his irrational violent impulses to shoot real live people like in his video games? After his horrific shooting spree, in our shock and horror, the rest of us try to make sense of it by blaming “racism” or violent video games or some MKultra FBI plot or whatever. He was mentally ill. Crazy people don’t make sense.

The Nashville bomber who wanted to blow himself up found weird conspiracy theories on the web and somehow melded them with his and his father’s past employer. At first we tried to make sense of it by thinking he was a terrorist or whatever, but, as he avoided killing others, and the story was so bizarre, we settled for crazy at last.

Mr. Chou fixated on his difficult childhood, and perhaps set off by the mass shooting in Buffalo all over the news, went off to shoot innocent people at a Taiwanese church event. Again we try to make sense of it. Hate crime, racism, the China-Taiwan thing lately in the news, or, again, MKultra deep state plot. Maybe he was just a crazy guy.