[PeterPrinciple]

but they stand — at this moment — forgiven.

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Proper thinking says they stand at this moment unjudged.

Unjudged, not forgiven.

[HKMk23]

Take it up with St. Paul; I laid out his case.

[HKMk23]

Sorry my last may have seemed terse; my more recent response to another post may clarify the “unjudged / unforgiven” question:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4057244/posts?page=181#181