Posted on 04/19/2022 3:12:35 PM PDT by ganeemead
(Excerpt) Read more at larouchepac.com ...
Those two leaders remind me of Al Capone and Bugs Moran. This war is like the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre.
I wouldn’t fight for Xiden, even if I were of military age and Congress reimposed conscription. I’ll be among the first marching in the streets chanting, “Hell, no! We won’t go!” if the globalists and neocons get America into the Ukraine war.
You have the correct username. Was it assigned to you?
Unlike Trump, Putin will jail or murder anyone who disagrees with him
Here’s a direct link to Trump’s statement at his website:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/news-8f3bm8p55c0
The MSM outlets seem to be avoiding posting a link to his site when reporting on his comment. It’s almost like they don’t want to give the site any exposure.
The background problem is that very few nations, including Russia, now have sane leadership so people are talking past each other with more or less equally crazy talking points that the average person cannot really accept as anything more than make believe and lies. If Trump were in office I don’t think this would have happened, he would have sensed this was coming back in autumn 2021 and taken some steps to assure Russia there wasn’t some hostile intent in any of the developments they might have seen in Ukraine. They probably would not have seen quite the same problem anyway.
I don’t know if it would change anything but I think the NATO countries should stop indulging Zelensky’s requests and just tell him to settle or face the situation in full knowledge that no real help was coming. He seems reluctant to let go of Donetsk and Luhansk, given that they are halfway out the door anyway, would it not be better to let them go into Russia, with security guarantees for any residents who wanted to stay in Ukraine to move west. I wouldn’t want to abandon those people to some ethnic cleansing sort of fate, but maybe the economic gain for Russia would be enough to get them to accept some reasonable terms on those issues and redraw the boundaries.
It is not a perfect solution but the only perfect solution is to have somebody in Moscow remove Putin from office and move things back to status quo ante. This might happen but how long are we willing to wait for it to happen? I would say mid-May is about the longest we should wait. After that some other approach should take over. This minimal assistance to Ukraine is just guaranteeing a stalemate and long, slow deadly conflict lasting many months. I can’t see how that is a “win” for anybody.
A better question is when were we NOT in a war? During the quiet periods you can be sure we were at least plotting coups against governments we didn’t like, or arming and assisting rebel groups. Such is the life of an economic empire.
Apparently President Trump is either unaware of, or has chosen to ignore the fact the Russia’s primary goal now is to secure the oil and gas resources of Ukrain in the east and around Crimea. THis is Putin’s main goal, deprive Ukraine of these fuel resources, and be able to further bleed Europe of energy costs. Russia itself has proven that it is so greedy and corrupt that it will not develope successful business enterprises to any significant degree. Rather almost all the wealth developed and gained in Russia has been by resource exploitation and disposal. They are lucky that they currently have enough fuel resources to maintain an economy, but those will run out so Ukraines fuel resources are an important backup in Putin’s mind.
I thought that the Larouch phenomenon was dead and burried, but I see they are still pouring out weird commentary. What is this about ISIS in cahoots with the Azov Nazis??? Oye Veh!
Spoke for me...but I would add that Putin is cleaner in this than Zelensky. By far.
The groundwork is being done now, I think, to put troops in Ukraine which will be a tragic mistake. For us all.
Oh you can be sure that Trump knows way more about the situation than you give him credit for, certainly moreso than you. The deep state has been planning this proxy war of Ukraine/Russia since 2014, and it was Trump who thwarted those plans. This was a primary reason they went against him. Hillary herself said the plan has always been to bleed out Russian military assets and causing economic collapse to get rid of Putin by provoking him into war with Ukraine.
Academic foreign policy experts like Mearsheimer has been predicting the inevitability of this war since that time too. So yes trust me, Trump knows very well what is going on here. And I support his call for peace talks. Sorry but I’m not interested in WW3 especially with the idiots we have in office now running the show.
Ignoring the fact that Putin has been planning on how to get Crimea and Eastern Ukraine ever since oil and gas were discovered in those areas in those areas your first 2 paragraphs make a lot of sense. However Europe cannot ignore that fact and when oil companies signed exploration agreements in 2012, Putin immediately started planning how to get those areas away from Ukraine. In 2014 he invaded Crimea, and started sending in trouble makers from Russia to Donetsk and Luhansk to create havock and give him an excuse to invade and conquer. Failing to acknowledge this supreme fact of his desire to control these energy sources to keep milking his European market makes all other suggestions for settling this war moot. He does not care how much he destroys above ground, as his goal is all under ground. If he wins he can drill for oil and rebuild NOTHING! Perhaps he may avoid destroying the big plant where the Mariupol holdouts are hiding because it is a useful economic site for Putin if he wins.
I’m sure your third paragraph is the wish of many.
Nice to see Trump saying this, for a while I was getting worried he would go all warmonger neocon
I would be interested to see a link of Hillary saying the plan was to bleed out Russian mmillitary assets to get rid of Putin by provoking war with Ukraine.
On a separate note I decided to look into Lyndon Larouche a bit more. Here is a detailed link for the worldwide Larouche Movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement
Larouch died several years ago, but his widow, living in Germany has continued the movement. Boyd, the author of this Trump article has been repudiated by his widow.
“On February 24, 2021, Zepp-LaRouche denounced the LaRouche Political Action Committee (LPAC) and its treasurer, Barbara Boyd, for going “in a direction which I consider contrary to the central policies that my husband stood for. [...] [S]ince he passed away in February 2019, Mrs. Boyd and her associates [...] have embarked on a path that I believe misrepresents both my and Mr. LaRouche’s positions.” and has stated that LPAC and Boyd do not represent the LaRouche movement. She has taken legal action against LPAC to “immediately cease and desist, both now and in the future” from “using Mr. LaRouche’s name, likeness, and potentially other confusingly similar terms.”[8]”
Over half a century Laruche’s activities and those of his adherants have jumped all over the map politically from what appear to be far left and far right posiitons. Currently there are affiliated and supporting groups in a number of countries world wide as described in the link. One interesting project was to have a railroad link between Russia and Alaska with a tunnel under the Bering Sea. I guess if they could do it with the English Channel, this could be possible, but highly unlikely under current circumstnces.
That's better...thank you.
“I would be interested to see a link of Hillary saying the plan was to bleed out Russian military assets to get rid of Putin by provoking war with Ukraine.”
I saw her discussing this on some news program but don’t have a link to it. But here she is basically saying the same thing more recently:
“What I have learned about Trump is to give him 48 hours to “clarify” his statements. Smart Guy, and will always be my President, and always have my Vote. Let ‘em fight it out until someone cries Uncle.
NO U.S. involvement, and I’m good with it.”
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I second the motion! either way, im sure the see aye ey is involved no matter what..
Nailed it, sarcasm & all.
“Russia is destroying the country they would have to rebuild. It makes no sense.”
Russia will do what the old Soviets did: Move Russians, Tatars, Chechins IN to cement territorial claims.
Those people will still need infrastructure and housing and workplaces that have been destroyed by the Russian Army.
I ignored LaRouche when he was alive, don’t see much point in payin’ attention to him now that he aint alive.
I hadn’t seen anything about Larouche for many years, but reading the link I provided I was surprised to see what an extensive worldwide group he had developed. There are adherants running for office in the USl His widow seems committed to carry on the ideas. She is active in Germany which country is certainly important in the current Ukraine situation, and she is in a fight with the person writing this Trump article. Is this situation a danger to Trump?? I hope you read this article as I respect your INFORMED opinion.
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