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The Quislings Turn on Zelenskyy
Townhall.com ^ | April 7, 2022 | Emmett Tyrrell

Posted on 04/07/2022 5:52:11 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: PGR88
the local Ukraine "nazi" militia leader sent from Western Ukraine

You got one thing wrong, the Russian speaking family is most threatened by other Russians, not their fellow Ukrainians. The picture below is of members of the pro-Russian militia in the Donbass. They are the people who started the fighting, and they and their Russian army friends are killing the Russian speaking citizens in Mariupol as you are reading this.


81 posted on 04/07/2022 7:40:36 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: throwthebumsout

“Government leadership is a necessary evil”

That is a core leftists notion. Were Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln necessary evils or heroic men who made America a land of freedom and liberty?

The left agrees with you. Conservatives do not.


82 posted on 04/07/2022 7:40:52 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: freeandfreezing
Strange logic. You don't blame the attacking army that is causing all the problems, just the victims of Russia's aggression.

In your world I guess it was our fault in the USA that the 9/11 terrorists attacked us, killing thousands of innocent men, women, and children.


What outcome does Zelensky expect?

The inevitable is being delayed at the expense of innocent Ukrainians.

83 posted on 04/07/2022 7:46:41 AM PDT by detch (")
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To: Alberta's Child

“How many of the blue areas on this map would YOU be interested in risking your life to defend?”

All of them, because they comprise my country. More than 50 years ago I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. The Constitution IS the United States, because, without it, the United States would not and could not exist.

I still hold true to that oath.

However, if a “blue” area attacked me and mine I would fight back with everything at my disposal.


84 posted on 04/07/2022 7:46:45 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: detch

Biden, Putin and Zelenskyy all need quick and complete “removal”.


85 posted on 04/07/2022 7:49:03 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Renfrew

“If men were angels, no government would be necessary.” - James Madison


86 posted on 04/07/2022 7:50:16 AM PDT by throwthebumsout
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To: Renfrew

“Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.” - Thomas Paine


87 posted on 04/07/2022 7:51:37 AM PDT by throwthebumsout
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To: throwthebumsout

Those quotes are about government itself, not leadership. Government is a necessary evil, but that does not mean that heroic men can’t be in charge of governments. Government by its nature is corrupting of those in power so anyone who does good when in charge has a certain heroism.

We should have statues aplenty of Washington, Churchill, and in future years Zelensky.


88 posted on 04/07/2022 7:57:14 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: Renfrew

Wordplay.

I did not say all government leaders are necessarily evil (though all men are fallen and corruptible). The fact that we need government leadership is a necessary evil.

As I said before, the founding fathers realized this and structured the government to account for this.

Nothing woke about this.


89 posted on 04/07/2022 8:10:17 AM PDT by throwthebumsout
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To: Mr. Jeeves

“Tyrell’s all-time dumbest article - and if so, it has triumphed over some pretty stiff competition.”

Decades ago he was a great guy—but the world has changed and he has not changed with it.

Guarding our own border from illegal invaders is not optional—it is essential, top priority—the rest of foreign policy is irrelevant is this is not done.


90 posted on 04/07/2022 8:14:32 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: greatvikingone
Geez! Stockman didn't just criticize the Reagan admin willy-nilly. He spent years trying to get the supposed responsible Republicans to stop running massive deficits. And yes it was partially the Dems fault for not giving way on much of the social spending. And yes it was something we "had" to do in order to defeat Communism... or was it given what we know now about the precariousness of the Soviet economy?

If it turns out that the Ukrainians can never win a war with Russia. If it turns out that Ukraine will be another Afghanistan where Russia will continue to rain death upon Ukraine until they themselves have experienced too much death, then the killing could go on for years or decades.

Stockman may be wrong, but his opinions are within the realm of reasonable discourse and are not quisling in the least.

91 posted on 04/07/2022 8:23:11 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: freeandfreezing

Never read a single thing from “Q,” despite your stomping and whining.

I’ll be sure to ping you when Zelenski gets his a$$ smashed. Love watching you mumblers weep.


92 posted on 04/07/2022 8:23:39 AM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Verginius Rufus

“Why are there no comparisons of Putin to Lincoln?”

As one of the few in the known world to have Lincoln in my “Top 5 worst Presidents list”, I appreciate your train of thought here. My forebears went through hell fighting, brother against brother, father against son, crushing hearts of mothers whose families were destroyed because they settled around the Cumberland Gap before state lines were firm. They had a little piece of land to survive off and a long history in the region - no slaves, no politics, but conscripted and threatened with death if they failed to fight. So many things not taught in schools anymore.

Proud of my hillbilly roots even if the family tree is uncomfortably straight…


93 posted on 04/07/2022 8:27:14 AM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: Kaslin
The whole Russia/Ukraine story leaves me uneasy. Obama tried to get friendly with Putin, using the same "re-set" slogan that Klaus Schwab uses. Obama whispers to a Russian diplomat that he will have "more flexibility" after the 2012 election. Apparently, whatever he hoped for didn't work out.

Shortly thereafter, or even at the same time, the CIA was meddling in the Ukraine, helping trigger regime change there. And in 2016, suddenly Russia was evil again, and they used Russia as an excuse to try to bring down Trump. Trump, through skill or luck, kept Russia at bay for four years, and then we got Biden. Within a year, Russia gears up for war and invades the Ukraine.

And now we are getting massive pro-Ukraine propaganda, as if it was a Garden of Eden before the invasion. Many of the same people who took to the streets to protest our own wars are now calling it "treasonous" to ask questions about a war we aren't even directly involved in. Can we be blamed for wondering if there is some unstated geopolitical scheme in the works?
94 posted on 04/07/2022 8:30:40 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Kaslin

How does one “quisling” a Soros/Schwab disciple?


95 posted on 04/07/2022 8:35:17 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: greatvikingone

Zelensky is a brave man, but he is also an authoritarian. No Churchill, IMO.


96 posted on 04/07/2022 8:45:50 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("She looks like she's 19 years old, sitting there like a lady with her legs crossed." Creepy Joe)
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To: Renfrew; throwthebumsout
throwthebumsout: “Zelensky should be neither deified not demonized. Government leadership is a necessary evil in this fallen world.”

Renfrew: "So you agree with the leftists who want to tear down the Founding Fathers and our early presidents?"

That's funny! So tell us, Renfrew - when did you stop beating your wife?

;>)

97 posted on 04/07/2022 9:10:35 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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To: Verginius Rufus
The reality is that a number of the Confederate State were very ham-handed in how they handled leaving the union with less than transparent votes. Large swaths of the Confederacy wanted nothing to do with it, including East Tennessee, the Huntsville area of Alabama and most of Appalachian Virginia and North Carolina.

Lincoln messed up big time in the days following Ft. Sumter when he decided to raise an army to invade the south rather than make a localized operation to punish South Carolina and retake the fort. In 20-20 hindsight, had he done that, the divisions within the southern states might have been cleverly exploited to avoid the war. But there were hotheads on both sides who didn't want that outcome.

Lincoln's first inaugural address just six weeks before Ft. Sumter outlined a clear and just path to peace. His second inaugural address, just six weeks before his assassination, outlined a clear and just reconstruction. The fact that neither could be realized by subsequent events that he could not foresee does NOT make him a despotic villain of even the same class as Vladimir Putin.

98 posted on 04/07/2022 9:35:12 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: detch
What outcome does Zelensky expect?

The inevitable is being delayed at the expense of innocent Ukrainians.

By your logic we should just invoke Sharia law and join the Caliphate. After all, why delay the inevitable?

And by your logic, there is no point in even supporting conservative ideas. After all isn't the "inevitable" just being delayed?

99 posted on 04/07/2022 12:07:06 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: bert

I like when Zelenskyy refused Biden’s offer of a plane ride to safety, asking instead for guns and ammo.


100 posted on 04/07/2022 2:07:44 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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