Posted on 03/30/2022 7:11:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
ATHENS — The considerable fanfare surrounding a fresh round of peace talks between Russia and Ukraine at Istanbul yesterday risks fizzling fast — and if you are among the thousands still trapped in the besieged Ukrainian city (at least for the moment) of Mariupol, it probably already has.
That is because the real power broker in this mess, Vladimir Putin, has shot down an incipient humanitarian aid mission to the city that forces under his command have largely destroyed.
The idea for said mission started with a Greek proposal, to which France glommed on and Turkey too, but Mr. Putin reportedly told President Macron in another of their lengthy phone chats that Ukrainian forces still fighting in Mariupol would have to surrender before humanitarian aid can be dispatched, the Greek daily Kathimerini reported this morning.
Ukrainian fighters laying down their arms is little more than a pipe dream for Mr. Putin, who for his part appears to be throwing more mettle into the fight he started, its provenance be damned.
Russian state media reported that a Chechen warlord accused of multiple human rights abuses, Ramzan Kadyrov, has traveled to Mariupol to continue the Kremlin’s brutal onslaught of the strategic port city. According to the Times of London, the 45-year-old Mr. Kadyrov is notorious for torturing his critics in the tightly controlled Muslim republic he rules in the south of Russia.
Mr. Kadyrov has been one of Mr. Putin’s principal cheerleaders for the war in Ukraine, the paper reports, has mocked Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, has taunted Elon Musk on Twitter, and has a penchant for wearing pricey Prada boots. If some of that has a surreal ring to it, the hard facts are that thousands of civilians have likely been killed in Mariupol since bombing began four weeks ago,
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We have definitely entered the Twilight Zone. Never could I have ever imagined that in 2022 there would be a whole host of giddy cheerleaders hooping and hollering every time Russia or China do something that will hurt the West or America, or Russia’s troops are destroying cities and the people of a pro Western country.
Yup. Troll.
Plus, those people are FReepers.
We need an ideology matrix profile. From my home page:
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I would like to see a VOLUNTARY idealogy litmus matrix here on Free Republic, but when I proposed it to Jimrob, he called me a newbie.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2395256/replies?c=6
To: babygene I don’t think he’s all that interested.
To: MHGinTN It doesn’t matter what a FReeper thinks. It’s just a list that they tell us what they think. That way we can tell who we’re dealing with.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2145065/posts?page=130#130
To: Jim Robinson Hah hah, that’s great. I signed up 2 months after you and I’m a newbie. Back then no one even said, ‘Welcome to FR. But yeah, I do think that there are tons of RINOs. To be more accurate, the term would be CINOs.
I’ve been pushing for an idealogical litmus matrix here on FR, not to get rid of RINOs but to expose them.
THE GOP DOESN’T WANT US- SO WHAT’S NEXT?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1965735/posts?page=762#762
***It simply takes too long. Look at this thread alone. I see evidence of RINOism in some of the FReepers on this thread. It takes 700 posts to drill down. We need the matrix posted and available so that we don’t have to drill down on every FReeping thread. They’re wasting our time. Deliberately.
Agreed to a large degree. Perhaps a way to rate members by other members???
762 posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:43:23 PM by roamer_1
130 posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 2:39:20 PM by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
49 posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 7:29:27 PM by Kevmo ( It’s all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies] 48 posted on Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:25:08 PM by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
In the absence of an idealogy matrix, I sometimes throw down with a troll if they call me a troll.
You call me a troll, then prepare to throw down point for point on Free Republic’s definition of a conservative. I challenge you — if you are closer to the FR definition than I am, then I take a week off FR, and if I’m closer then you take a week off.
Based on posting history, going through yours and mine. It does not count for you to say you hold such & such position if you never posted it.
From the front page of FR https://freerepublic.com/help.htm
Statement by FR’s Founder -—> https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts
As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.
Now... I would need some Viking Kitty help in going through your posting history, so I’ll ping one. You ping one of your RINO troll cohorts as well.
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Bite me.
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As you probably already know, KEVMO is a hysterical POS. His postings are no surprise as IT is more concerned with Ukie borders than our own borders.
RE: Never could I have ever imagined that in 2022 there would be a whole host of giddy cheerleaders hooping and hollering every time Russia or China do something that will hurt the West or America
Simply logic — Western Government lied to us about the origins of Covid. The Covid pandemic has shown that Western governments are also totalitarian, forcing vaccines and other restrictions on everyone. Western Governments have lied us into participating in wars we should not have been involved in (e.g. Iraq, Libya, etc. ), and then leaving a bigger mess in these countries than before ( see Afghanistan as a most recent example). Western governments are controlled by Big Tech, Big Corporations, Big Media and the like, whose values are antithetical to what we traditionally hold dear. Western Governments are controlled by WOKE and CANCEL CULTURE.
Russia and China on the other hand, DO NOT TOLERATE these Woke, LGBTQ nonsense.
Ergo, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Prove me wrong.
“Ergo, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Prove me wrong.”
Who needs a working brain when all you need is some trite slogan?
I have two enemies who also hate each other. NETHER ONE IS MY FRIEND. There is your logical proof that your brain replacement slogan has a huge flaw in it.
Correct on "obtained", it was more like "fell into possession of". However, "controlled" is an arcane legal argument, here. Ukraine had the nukes physically in hand, in quantity such that nobody could have forced them to relinquish them. Possession is 9 points of the "law".
Point is made that the Ukes did not have the codes. Rather easily overcome, actually, if you have the goodies in hand, and a wee bit of time.
Prove me wrong.
***Just as soon as you throw down on an ideology matrix profile based on FR’s definition of conservative.
OK, here’s my profile:
1. Putin is wrong to attack a sovereign nation.
2. I believe Russia and the world would be much better if Putin is deposed from leadership.
3. I am FOR people deciding their own destiny in a FAIR, DEMOCRATIC referendum. This applies to regions of the current Ukraine like Crimea and the Donbas.
4. I am for American energy independence and returning to the Trump era energy policies.
5. I am against the woke culture and for traditional values.
6. I am for the return of Trump’s Remain in Mexico Policy towards the border crisis.
7. I am for a halt to more government spending. Increase in the budget should only reflect inflation plus LEGAL population increase.
8. I am for the elimination of at least 10% of Federal government agencies.
That’s my profile.
RE: I have two enemies who also hate each other. NETHER ONE IS MY FRIEND
I am a little slow on the uptake. But let me see if I understand your point -— if the enemy on one side is Russia and China and the enemy on the other side is Western Governments, and neither one is my friend, therefore, what should my attitude be towards the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
Should it be: Let whatever happens, happen and not be involved in it one way or the other?
I think that’s the Pat Buchanan solution to every regional conflict out there including WW1 and WW2.
You are a coward to talk about a freeper without pinging him. Jerks are turning FR into a shiiteshow. We should have another bugzapper thread for RINOs like you.
You have poor reading skills. I posted the framework right on this thread.
Here is the Free Republic definition of conservative. Base your profile on that, rather than a humptydumpty harumph.
From the front page of FR https://freerepublic.com/help.htm
Statement by FR’s Founder -—> https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts
As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.
1. pro-God,
YES
2. pro-life,
YES
3. pro-family,
YES
4. pro-Constitution,
YES
5. pro-Bill of Rights,
YES
6. pro-gun,
Better still, Pro- Second Amendment
7. pro-limited government,
Yes
8. pro-private property rights,
Yes
9. pro-limited taxes,
Yes
10. pro-capitalism,
Yes
11. pro-national defense,
Yes
12. pro-freedom,
In general, but not absolute. I am not pro freedom to display one’s genitalia or sexual deviancy to minors in pride parades.
13. and-pro America.
Yes, as long as America’s government does what’s right.
14. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc.
That goes without saying.
I believe that my so-called “humptydumpty harumph” ( your words ) basically TOUCHED on most of these points.
Now, you promised to respond to what I said after I responded to the framework. I await...
Now, you promised to respond to what I said after I responded to the framework. I await...
***Ok then. On the basis of your yes-or-no approach towards the profile, at least it’s a start. Now I will actually read whatever it is you wrote.
OtherFreeper: Never could I have ever imagined that in 2022 there would be a whole host of giddy cheerleaders hooping and hollering every time Russia or China do something that will hurt the West or America
S&F: Simply logic — Western Government lied to us about the origins of Covid.
***Kind of irrelevant for the most part. Covid came from China, not Russia. The previous FReeper threw in China and now that side remark has come to bite us because the thread was about Russia. But since you answered the profile, presumably in good faith, I will go along with this red herring. But keep in mind it’s CHINA CHINA CHINA not RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA.
The Covid pandemic has shown that Western governments are also totalitarian,
***It took Covid to show you this? I have known it for decades.
forcing vaccines and other restrictions on everyone.
***Just the beginning. Where we are headed is the System of the Beast predicted 2000 years ago in Revelation 13.
Western Governments have lied us into participating in wars we should not have been involved in (e.g. Iraq, Libya, etc. ),
***They always lie, especially about wars. But Iraq1 was a just war, we were fighting a guy who invaded his neighbor over oil, just like Putin is doing.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
and then leaving a bigger mess in these countries than before ( see Afghanistan as a most recent example).
***You’re talking about the difference between a fight over terrorism and a State Department implementation of bullshiite StateBuilding policy. The answer is the emBASEee strategee
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4043681/posts
Western governments are controlled by Big Tech, Big Corporations, Big Media and the like,
***This is your assertion. I agree with much of it, but keep in mind that it is simply an assertion. Since you led with Covid bullshiite, I was inclined not to even READ your assertion, but since you posted a profile I have read your assertion. The pivot point is that word “controlled”. I see it as more of a swarming chaos, not control.
whose values are antithetical to what we traditionally hold dear.
***Here I apologize for not reading your screed, assuming you told the truth on your profile.
Western Governments are controlled by WOKE and CANCEL CULTURE.
***I think there’s a scale involved. From IGNORING woke/cancelCulture to CONTROLLEDbyIT. On that scale I see it as INFESTED by it like a cabin infested with rats.
Russia and China on the other hand, DO NOT TOLERATE these Woke, LGBTQ nonsense.
***First of all, they do tolerate it they just don’t UPHOLD it. Second of all, they are authoritarian guvmints so they have more choices of what they’re gonna squash. In a way, we can look on this moral pestilence as a cost of our freedom. Third of all, you’re kind of far away from your Covid rant. This thread is about: “Mum on Ukraine’s Security Wish List, Putin Instead Sends a Warlord to Mariupol”.
Ergo, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
***Ergo? You are in a galaxy far, far away from proving your assertions.
Prove me wrong.
***What a shiiteload of bluster that statement is. Do you even understand what an inductive proof is?
Maybe the point is not to use use some folksy saying to determine who is your enemy or friend, but to think for yourself.
RE: But Iraq1 was a just war, we were fighting a guy who invaded his neighbor over oil, just like Putin is doing.
I was NOT talking about Iraq1, that was in fact a good example of a just operation with an exit strategy... kick Saddam’s army out of Kuwait and go home.
We achieved the first objective but had to baby sit the region until.... Bush jr. told us we had to go to war in Iraq a SECOND TIME to get rid of Saddam’s Weapons of Mass Destruction.
So, tens of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars later, where were the WMDs that was the reason for going to war?
We then participated in another operation to take out Khadaffy in Libya (this, after he openly gave up his WMDs ) turning Libya into a worse hell hole than before resulting in tens of thousands of refugees.
In these regard, what makes our policies and better than Russia’s?
Since the Iraq wars were about oil, I’m gonna work on posting my response over at the ‘it’s about oil’ thread.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
I’ve lost my scorecard. Is the New York Sun pro-commie Putin or pro-Ukraine Nazi?
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