Posted on 03/29/2022 6:13:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
“All war is based on deception.”
-ST
No wonder Turkey is the mediator in peace talks. It’s as if the US wants the war prolonged. Can’t we just let the two sides work it out diplomatically with Turkey?
What’s the first casualty in war?
Kiev means nothing. East Ukraine is everything to Putin. Occupy the East from the border to the Dnieper, and you create a formidable barrier to NATO ground forces.
What’s the first casualty in war?
A WOKE Pentagon
The Rooskies need to turn over all their equipment to the Ukes and walk back to Belarus.
I dug out some old map of Ukraine.
I tried to mark the Russian “gains’ on it. I was amazed how little the Russians really gained.
The maps on Fox News mark these areas Red. And Red is a dominating color, optically, it makes the red areas look bigger then they really are.
When you just mark the “front lines” without coloring them, Russians have really very little to show for their efforts!
You wish!
Russia is just re-staging, not the first time.
It looks like both sides are saying that the Rukes are withdrawing from Kiev.
This is good news for the Ukes. It lends credibility to the other things folks are saying that the Ukes are in a counter-offensive and doing better than just getting ground up in a meatgrinder.
Pentagon really wants this war.
I don’t think Putin is after a “formidable barrier” against NATO. He’s after the oil & gas.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4050271/posts?page=123#123
ook at the Azov Natural Gas Preserves region, and then look at Russia’s
Occupation Map. He has captured all the land mass of the preserve and
all the access land to the underwater portion of that preserve.
Mariopol happens to be smack dab in the middle of it. All the shoreline of
the Azov Sea West to just short of Odessa and then out to sea is the massive
Azov Natural Gas Preserve.
Ukraine constituted a potential threat to Russia’s natural gas business.
Oil and gas reserves were discovered in the 3 places that have gotten the most attention from Russian jack boots. Putin needed a couple of years to organize his takeover of Crimea, and I remember seeing the reports of mercenaries from Russia moving into the Donbass to carry on their warfare back in 2014.
Nov. 2012 was right at the time oil/gas reserves in Crimea, Donbass and Luhansk had been discovered and oil companies were signing contracts to do exploration. No wonder Putin took over Crimea in 2014 and is now trying to take over the other two regions. It also explains why in 2014 he started sending in Mercenaries to east Ukraine to help enable them to defect from Ukraine.
gleeaikin searched for a Google page on this oiltopic. There are a lot of interesting articles to read here. I have not read them yet, but it appears there is probably a lot of petroleum to enable Europe to buy much of their needs from Ukraine rather than Russia.
At the very least, Putin has caused enough destruction in Ukraine, that any oil profits would have to go into rebuilding cities, rather than doing the kind of development that could make Ukraine an important modern European country. What a damn shame!!
What is most astonishing is the fact that so little has been mentioned about the whole Ukraine has petroleum reserves issue, and the places where they are constitute the precise main target of Putin’s massive attacks. He does not care about preserving the cities which he would if he was doing it for the poor ethnic Russians who are being treated so meanly by those nasty Ukrainians. Of course he does not care, what he wants is safely stored under ground. The heck with Ukrainian human beings. And this lack of humanity is reflected in so many consistently pro Putin posts. And their support of the Butcher of Moscow an insult to patriotic FReepers and Putin’s helpless Ukrainian victims.
This Feb. 2019 Forbes article clearly defines the great loss to Ukraine caused by Putin’s 2014 seizure of Crimea. Even if a plebecite should prove the people of Crimea prefer a totalitarian corruption ridden Russia to a corruption ridden Ukraine, at the very least the large “exclusion zone” shown in this article’s map should be reopened to Ukriane’s use and control regarding resources. An excellent sanction against Putin’s greed and cruelty.
Full peace in Eastern Ukraine will never exist until there is a victor on the battlefield.
This is why Russia move in the first place....
Thanks. Certainly food for thought there. It makes a lot
more sense to me now why Putin went back in. I think he
wanted to install a more friendly leadership there too,
but that just didn’t work out.
A lot of folks were misdirected by Putin, and they fell for
it hook line and sinker > IMO.
His northern operations seems to have been a decoy, causing
folks to look at lot of places, just not at the natural
resources owned by the Ukraine.
This is another war for oil.
You’ve got the right idea.
Honestly, I think it’s the Natural Gas that was the real
gem here. That’s a pretty large natural gas preserve.
It could have really put a dent in Russia’s control of
Europe due to control of their natural gas supplies.
Question… will Ukraine return to Poland all the land taken from Poland after WW2 and given to Ukraine?
LOL. Why? Right now they are bagging tons of Western equipment and Western specop “veterans” while they are at it.
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