Posted on 03/29/2022 12:56:52 AM PDT by blueplum
At one recent rally, some of Trump's supporters said Putin should have free rein, while others advocated sending in U.S. troops.
...COMMERCE, Ga. — As former President Donald Trump tries to refine his message about Russia's war against Ukraine, his base is splintered over the question of America's engagement in Eastern Europe.
"It's not our business," Peggy Bright, 57, said shortly before Trump spoke to an unusually restless and muted crowd here Saturday night...
...Alina Roberts, a Trump voter who was born in Latvia and lives in Atlanta, said at Saturday's rally that Putin cannot be stopped without direct U.S. intervention....
(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...
But, I am still trying to figure out where Hannity and Levin fit into the equation. But, have, irresponsibly, been pushing for a war with Russia.
2. Is the U.S. "good" by your objective definition? I look around and I would have a hard time making that case at all.
From my FR homepage:
The United States should be isolationist by nature and interventionist in rare, exceptional cases. That's the only legitimate political stature for a country that is supposed to be built on the idea of limited government. A government that pisses away thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on military campaigns in Islamic sh!t-holes halfway around the world while facilitating an invasion of Third World peasants here at home has no moral claim on any loyalty from its citizens anymore.
They're both paid shills of Fox News, and propagandists at their core. Hannity has the added challenge of being dumber than a bag of rocks.
also worth noting that NBC is a crap organization to get news from, just sayin.
“There’s no “conspiracy theory” about stating facts.”
Support your case, then. Make an argument for your conspiracy theory and make it sound like a proven case or set of facts.
What exactly did I post that you’re describing as a “conspiracy theory?”
Anyone who doesn’t agree with me is for Putin or Hitler.
This is the source of the problem. Groupthink.
Just because a person doesn’t agee 100 % on every issue with Trump, it must mean they won’t be for Trump.
That silly thinking is what created this article.
“This isn’t 1850, people. You don’t establish an empire by invading countries and annexing their territory anymore.”
The irony is thick today!!!
I think the authors are wishing that the different views on Ukraine among Trump supporters will lead to less support for Trump down the road. In that I think they are mistaken.
Sorry, my friend, but we are Empire building.
If we don’t like a country’s leader, we find ways to take them out and install a puppet who is beholden to us.
If we can’t buy them with tax dollars, we pay for the bullets to kill them.
“I’d say the pro-Putin people are nearly irrelevant.”
to me, they’re pretty obvious russian trolls, and i simply ignore everything they say or post ... in fact, i pretty much ignore ALL FR commentary about the russian war and simply read the posted articles and make up my own mind ...
the FR commentary reminds me of a pair of children who just repeat “he started it”, “no he started it” over and over and over and over again and again and again ...
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We have military bases in Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, Syria, Niger, Qatar, Kosovo, and Bahrain, among others.
I'm sure you would find that their understanding of 'evil' may be well out of pace with yours. Remember all the memes about how Islamists of the Middle East calling America 'the Great Satan'? Some 'allies'.
Here's the thing: the *only* reason America is able to get away with any of it is because of the geopolitical realities of being a Great Power, with a military and economy to back it up. That's the prime reason all of the cultural craziness we've exported from Hollywood and our universities has been tolerated: because we were the big dog on campus, and were willing to throw our weight around.
But as our cultural institutions have rotted away, and patriotic fervor waned, we've managed to coast by on that reputation as the world's lone superpower. But reputation doesn't last forever, as most recently seen in Afghanistan.
As America declines under the yoke of the current wokescolds and Leftist fools in our government and military staff, don't be surprised to find how fickle these 'allies' actually are, if they think they can get away with looking out for their own national interests for a change without America looming over their shoulders.
Until now I have not thought about Trump with regard to Ukraine and Russia other than if he were in office the current conflict would not be happening.
Most of those bases are in strategic areas. That’s about access and location. When Trump comes back, the first thing he should do is tell SA, to open up the oil, or we are closing down our bases and stopping military aid to them. Biden screwed that up too. SA biggest enemy is Iran and we are basically going to redline them nuclear capability.
Turkey is a NATO country, barely, but again, access.
Reagan had a great saying, “if they vote for me, that means they endorse me, it doesn’t mean I endorse them.? Same for military bases.
America First had a newspaper called Social Justice.
Several, for sure.
Many of these isolationists will say they are not pro-Putin, but then seem to be very aggressive at putting down most everything the US has done and has been in the last century, while never specifying anything they dislike about Putin, and often supporting him. Nor do they seem to have any long term perspective.
If they could just offer some balance, I might accept your premise, otherwise for the most part I find the “unintentional” a bit hard to swallow. Effectively, they are part of the “%”. :-(
As a general comment about the article, I’d say “splintering” is typical MSM hype. But, there is rift developing.
What a frivolous view.
Mostly agreed. Point has been made that we have a lot of isolationists on FR these days, and I’d say a good number of these are so extreme in this, plus those with little sense of history or simply blinded by the outrages of the left here in the US, that they lose sight of what ol’ Pooty really is, or what the much longer term problem we have with the Russian power structure is and how we solve it. And... Do they really like a future composed of a Russia / China / Iran / maybe India axis and chaos (likely nuclear chaos) most everywhere else not controlled by said axis?
That said, my statement about irrelevance was really about those who are or appear pro-Putin as a % of the electorate in general.
As far as really interesting goes, this Russian dissident is quite a bit more so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqeoa2b4N7w
If Putin generates some more of this guy...
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