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To: Red6

“nor entirely unjustified in what they did”

More crazy talk.


15 posted on 03/14/2022 11:43:26 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (Whenever a Russian soldier is killed, an Angel gets its wings)
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To: SpeedyInTexas
Yes-

All you need to do is look at the Minsk Accord and Budapest Memorandum. We promised the Russians no Eastward expansion of NATO, no missile defense, no US/NATO troops in former Soviet Republics, and here we are:

US Special Forces training troops in the Republic of Georgia; Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia NATO members and basing fighters, tanks and artillery on the Russian border; missile defense; and now Biden giving the head nod for Ukraine to join NATO: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/ (This right here is the reason)

So you tell me- if we have the ability to base missiles in Ukraine that are 6 minutes time of flight from Moscow, if Ukraine has major rail (same gauge) and roads into Russia, if Ukraine can easily connect Westward, is huge and where you could easily hide things, has a big enough infrastructure to permanently base a large force, and extends deep along Russia's South significantly impacting Russian nuclear deterrent capabilities... are those not security concerns?

What did we do when Grenada was playing along with the Soviets?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada

What did we do when Nicaragua was playing along with the Soviets?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Nicaragua#:~:text=CIA%20activities%20in%20Nicaragua%20have,particularly%20after%20the%20Nicaraguan%20Revolution.

What did we do when Cuba was playing along with the Soviets?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

Can you say “hypocrite?”

No major power accepts another major power meddling in their backyard. No one. Not the US, China or Russia.

***Let me take this a step further. Ukraine is the US basically telling the Russian's, “you are no longer a world power and we do not care what you think, what promises we made, and we're just going to do what we want.”***

18 posted on 03/14/2022 12:16:22 PM PDT by Red6
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To: SpeedyInTexas
I'm waiting for a rational counter argument.

Do you have one?

Other than talking about feelings... the poor people of Ukraine (of course we don't care about the poor people or the human rights anywhere else - especially in Saudi Arabia and China where we make money)...

This is a conflict about economics. We want Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't dare make that move it is if the US didn't back them. Now we care so much about human rights and every rocket or bomb is a terrible human rights violation... Of course the freedom and democracy bombs we dropped on Iraq were all for a good cause that had no collateral damage. Isn't that a phrase we came up with “collateral damage?”

19 posted on 03/14/2022 12:25:00 PM PDT by Red6
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