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How Russians think, and why they do what they do
Caterina.net ^ | 05MAR2022 | Caterina Fake

Posted on 03/06/2022 3:53:32 PM PST by AdmSmith

2018 lecture in Finnish (subtitled in English), given by Martti Kari, a former Colonel working in military intelligence, with expertise in Russian “strategic culture”, and who is now at the university. Here he is explaining why Russians think and behave so differently from us in the West, which gives us some ways of guessing what they might do in the future. This has, for me, shed much light on the motivation behind the Ukrainian invasion and so much else that Russia has done.

Finland, of course, borders Russia, and at various points in history has been part of Russia, fought with Russia, and invaded by Russia. They held off the Russians in the brutal 1939 Winter War, when they invented the Molotov Cocktail, and have, of course, deep knowledge of their bellicose neighbor.

Here are my summary notes if you need to get back to the demands of work, doomscrolling or the exigencies of CNN.

3:09 Russia has many layers, which he will enumerate. The foundation of Russian society is Slavic culture. The Slavic people are seen as one, Russians are the most numerous and greatest of the Slavic people, and Slavic unity must be defended.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: caterinafake; drinkmorevodka; finland; intelligence; marttikari; putin; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; russianaggression; ukraine; zottherussiantrolls
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To: TheTimeOfMan

“I took an international business negotiations course once.”

FFS


41 posted on 03/06/2022 5:16:47 PM PST by TheTimeOfMan (The Eloi unexpectedly protected the Morlocks from rogue Eloi as they themselves prepared to be eaten)
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To: TheTimeOfMan

“Slavs are barbarians.
Russians are products of Scythians, Slavs, and Mongols.”

This should get you banned from this forum.

Statements like this are evil, whether they come from a freeper or BLM.

I am retired CIA, spent 11 years working overseas and under cover, primarily against the Soviet Union.

Yeah there is still a lot of corruption in Russia. 70 years of communism and poverty creates that.

But we have pretty much caught up. Russians and Americans are actually very similar culturally in most ways.

Now, bow you head in shame and go find some Nazi forum so you can rail on slavs some more.

Mr. Robinson - you need to sell this site to me. It needs some care and oversight.


42 posted on 03/06/2022 5:22:43 PM PST by TheTimeOfMan (The Eloi unexpectedly protected the Morlocks from rogue Eloi as they themselves prepared to be eaten)
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To: muir_redwoods
Final analysis, only one party can be happy with the result.

They believe that everything is a zero-sum game, they regard compromise as a weakness.

43 posted on 03/06/2022 5:26:55 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: TheTimeOfMan
Putin is not a dictator. 1980 it is not ...... Do you know about враньё?
44 posted on 03/06/2022 5:31:20 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: Westbrook

I think that there is something to this theory. After all Stalin chucked a lot of scientists into the gulag in the 30’s and many of them came out and work their butts off for Mother Russia in WW2, particularly in the aircraft industry.


45 posted on 03/06/2022 5:32:17 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: Westbrook
I’ve been to Russia 4 times.

That's a lot of times. You must be an authority by now.

46 posted on 03/06/2022 5:45:25 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: DIRTYSECRET

A friend, who works in Washington DC and has had a lot of contact with mid to low level Russians, is a pretty astute observer of people and makes mental notes on their actions.

His take is the Russians are too eastern to trust, and be trusted by, the west.
They are also too western to trust, and be trusted by, the east.
The result is national paranoia.


47 posted on 03/06/2022 5:55:05 PM PST by oldvirginian (So if a cow doesn’t produce milk, is it a milk dud or an udder failure?)
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To: AdmSmith

The Russian government is paranoid because they’ve been invaded twice in recent modern history (Napoleon and Hitler). The Russian people are not so bad, in St. Petersburg, they’re Westernized because it’s pretty close to Europe. Maybe Putin will cause the collapse of the Russian Federation. Kalingrad should be its own country. Same as Petersburg and Moscow. Chechnya should declare independence. Siberia should become its own nation, it’ll become like Mongolia.


48 posted on 03/06/2022 6:03:47 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: GaryCrow

Have you read “A Genius for War”?

Great book on Patton.


49 posted on 03/06/2022 6:04:24 PM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Poland has been invaded more times than Russia, and even deleted from the map.


50 posted on 03/06/2022 6:09:10 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Too much vodka. Same think happened with Pelosi.


51 posted on 03/06/2022 6:11:52 PM PST by Old Yeller (A nation of sheep, produces a government of wolves.)
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To: AdmSmith

Yep. I am not justifying Russia’s reasoning for their actions. I think their location has a role. Russia is located between China and Europe. So they do not really belong in either culture. If Putin didn’t turn out to be a total dictator, I think Russia would have ended up in a different direction today.


52 posted on 03/06/2022 6:14:22 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: muir_redwoods

So too are Ukrainains - so easy to see why they both have difficulty in negotiations. Neither trusts the other both are paranoid. They understand too - that’s how they are.


53 posted on 03/06/2022 6:14:35 PM PST by caww ( )
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To: rbg81

Spot on.


54 posted on 03/06/2022 6:14:48 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: AdmSmith
"The Slavic people are seen as one, Russians are the most numerous and greatest of the Slavic people, and Slavic unity must be defended."

This was Tsarist propaganda already in the 19th century. The Western Slavs in particular (Poles and Czechs) have never considered the Russians "fellow Slavs," merely barbarians who wrecked their countries along with the Germans.

55 posted on 03/06/2022 6:16:19 PM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: TheTimeOfMan

Odd, anyone I ever knew from Langley never bragged about it on an online forum.

If you worked for the CIA my guess is you were a contractor at the coffee kiosk.


56 posted on 03/06/2022 6:18:00 PM PST by MercyFlush (DANGER: You are being conditioned to view your freedom as selfish)
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To: Westbrook

I’ve been to Russia, too. Russians have Mongol blood. There is definitely a Russian exceptionalism or chauvinism to them. You see that most obviously in conflicts they have with their smaller neighbors. They are not like us and take some pride in that.


57 posted on 03/06/2022 6:51:12 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

> That’s a lot of times. You must be an authority by now.

I’ve adopted three Russian kids and have had a LOT of interaction with Russians, and their bureaucrats, including courts and judges.

I’ve spent a LOT of time with the Russian Apostolic Lutheran community in Russia and in the States, and attended a Slavic Baptist church here in the States for a while. I have many good friends in the Slavic Christian community. I certainly don’t speak it well, hardly at all anymore.

I think I can speak from knowledge when I say that they are no different than you or I in their hopes and fears, desires and disdains.

They tend to be more realistic and cheeky than Americans. For example, while the American Press reverently called Lenin’s mausoleum “Lenin’s Tomb”, the Russians I met called it, “The Mummy”.


58 posted on 03/06/2022 6:55:54 PM PST by Westbrook
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To: MinorityRepublican

In addition: The Russians fought a war against Western Powers during the Crimean War. The Treat of Brest-Ltovsk took Russia out of WW1 and allowed Germany to occuppy the Baltics, Belarus, and Ukraine. After WW1, during the Russian Civil War, parts of Russia were occuppied by the Entente Forces which included Great Britain, France, the US, and Japan.


59 posted on 03/06/2022 7:25:04 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BradyLS
Russia is always being threatened. Never had a period of actual stability.

In the past 500 years, Russia has been invaded several times from the west. The Poles came across the European Plain in 1605, followed by the Swedes under Charles XII in 1707, the French under Napoleon in 1812, and the Germans—twice, in both world wars, in 1914 and 1941. In Poland, the plain is only 300 miles wide—from the Baltic Sea in the north to the Carpathian Mountains in the south—but after that point it stretches to a width of about 2,000 miles near the Russian border, and from there, it offers a flat route straight to Moscow. Thus Russia’s repeated attempts to occupy Poland throughout history; the country represents a relatively narrow corridor into which Russia could drive its armed forces to block an enemy advance toward its own border, which, being wider, is much harder to defend.

60 posted on 03/06/2022 7:37:20 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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