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Ukraine invasion: Putin wants all of Ukraine and 'worse is to come' in conflict, warns Macron
Sky News ^ | 3/3/2022 | Sky News

Posted on 03/03/2022 7:45:17 AM PST by marcusmaximus

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To: rbmillerjr

Despite what you wrote Europe continues to fund this war.

Trump was right about NATO. We (the US taxpayer) spend big money to protect Europe from the very nation that Europe is reliant on for gas.

What military Russia (and China) have was mostly funded through trade with the West.

I can’t find anything sensible about this. IF these two countries are the “existential threats” that our elites claim they are WHY do we continue to do trade with them?


141 posted on 03/03/2022 10:11:09 AM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: Pete Dovgan
This means it isn’t going well for Putin. He tried to start WWIII and he failed, the blowback is just beginning.

I think that's a real stretch. I believe Phtin saw an opportunity, based on the status of the U.S.

The current administration is a joke and couldn't even handle a withdrawal from Afghanistan. I also think the confidence of NATO in the administration is lacking. Let's not forget that Russia is an extremely significant player in energy for much of Europe; pull that plug and people will freeze.

Add those pieces together and it looks like good time to make a move. Then perhaps there was a gross over-estimation on how fast the Ukrainians would capitulate; which proved entirely wrong.

One idea though is that who might really benefit from all this? That could be China. If the action in Ukraine is prolonged, and the world focuses its attention and resources on Ukraine; what's to stop China from swooping in and capturing Taiwan. It's not a question of if China will make a move but when. At some point, China will have to aggressively expand its territory in a permanent way.

142 posted on 03/03/2022 10:12:57 AM PST by voicereason (The RNC is like the "one-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: DannyTN; GOPJ; Chode
We need to be able to stand up to Putin

"We" can't even make the Biden gang allow US energy production and stop importing Russian crude.

143 posted on 03/03/2022 10:14:36 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: mac_truck

That serves to cut off the Baltics. But thats no use in invading Poland. Poland does not need help from the Baltics, its the other way around. Hence target #2 is the Baltics. They are easy to cut off, and they are already surrounded.


144 posted on 03/03/2022 10:18:19 AM PST by buwaya
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To: volunbeer

“Trump was right about NATO. We (the US taxpayer) spend big money to protect Europe from the very nation that Europe is reliant on for gas.”

Yes. But this invasion by Russia is going to be transformational. Germany has broken their own law and sent weapons to Ukraine. They also signed guidance to spend a minimum of 2% on the military.

The peace dividend is now over. All thanks to Putin.

Trump was also correct about trade with China and energy from Russia for the EU and us.


145 posted on 03/03/2022 10:20:26 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Defeating China is impossible without understanding that Russia is our enemy)
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To: wardaddy; HollyB

“Why it’s Macron don’t ask me but I see that mentioned a lot”

France isn’t a member of NATO.

Macron is probably seen by Russia as the most independent minded of major Western powers, the least likely to simply align his opinions with NATO.

Best case could be a ceasefire call by Macron that Putin would honor and then let the mess get sorted out with minimal harm to Ukraine’s citizens.


146 posted on 03/03/2022 10:25:45 AM PST by Pelham (Q is short for quack )
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To: Bobalu

Agree. Pray.


147 posted on 03/03/2022 10:28:41 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: Pelham

Yes that would be ideal at this point


148 posted on 03/03/2022 10:33:10 AM PST by wardaddy (1-20-21 if ever was a day needed a reckoning settled with blood....I'm with Bannon)
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To: Fury; marcusmaximus
Re: 2 - A ridiculous picture. Keep posting it in threads, keep getting called on it.

How unfair comparing Hitler to poor Putin. I must make posts about it, from thread to thread. /

149 posted on 03/03/2022 10:43:05 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Pelham
France isn’t a member of NATO.

NATO lists France as a current member (1966 is a long time ago).

150 posted on 03/03/2022 10:49:34 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Jonty30

After what happened in the 2020 election, you are still looking at the USA as a beacon for freedom?

Wake up and smell the coffee. America is an occupied country ruled by an evil corrupt foreign puppet. Russia is the least of our problems.

First need to overthrow the current regime and only then can we talk about freedom.


151 posted on 03/03/2022 10:52:52 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus (Fauci is a murderer)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
First need to overthrow the current regime and only then can we talk about freedom.

Yeah, let’s not talk about freedom, ours or anyone else’s, until we overthrow the current regime.

152 posted on 03/03/2022 10:56:49 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: SkyDancer

If they do then that is a different matter

I seriously doubt that is even close to being realistic and is simply BS hype to get us more involved in something that is not our business


153 posted on 03/03/2022 11:09:55 AM PST by Manuel OKelley
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To: Mariner

>> Hyperbole much?

@ pandemic levels


154 posted on 03/03/2022 11:33:31 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Leaning Right
said, "My guess: Putin does not want all of Ukraine. He just wants two eastern regions, Donetsk and Luhansk."

Given this war is over the control of Crimea. The Ukraine has imposed for years no men allowed into Ukraine between 16 to 60. Those locations seem logical though he needs the roadways. Either E105 north or M14 and any region to keep those roads safe. More likely M14 would be the easiest route. Though a puppet government for the Ukraine at this point is the logical next step.

I wrote a simple explanation on why Crimea is required by the dominate power in the region and Russia's objectives here:
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4042476/posts?page=846#846
155 posted on 03/03/2022 11:41:12 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Flavious_Maximus
said, "America is an occupied country ruled by an evil corrupt foreign puppet"

I couldn't agree more. Though depending how effective the injections are I hope we're not to late.
156 posted on 03/03/2022 11:43:56 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

They should be offering to help with deescalation, not send more weapons.


157 posted on 03/03/2022 11:46:34 AM PST by GunRunner
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To: Ann Archy
Like all the warmongers around here, I’m sure he turned his Facebook and Instagram profile pictures into a Ukrainian flag, and routinely calls people suspicious of Deep State meddling in foreign wars as “Putinists” from his keyboard bunker.

It’s daring work I tell you.

158 posted on 03/03/2022 11:50:24 AM PST by GunRunner
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To: MarMema

Russian nuclear subs are right this minute only a couple hundred miles off our coast waiting to launch there nukes.

Why should the USA care if Mexico has Russian nukes?

In the reverse, the USA has subs a few miles off the coast of Russia, with nukes waiting to launch on the signal from Puppet Biden.


159 posted on 03/03/2022 12:38:22 PM PST by Flavious_Maximus (Fauci is a murderer)
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To: marcusmaximus

Much more fitting if Putin saw Stalin’s (or Mao’s) reflection in the window.


160 posted on 03/03/2022 12:50:55 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Balloting)
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