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To: NorseViking

There is evidence of shelling by both sides since the Russian incursion into Ukraine.

There is no firm evidence to suggest that Ukraine has initiated the shelling. In fact, the illegal Prescence of Russians and Russian equipment is the initial salvo.

Now Russia has escalated to invasion.

Regardless of actions at this point, Biden has frucked it up again, taking his Sudetenland award.


78 posted on 02/22/2022 9:53:57 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Defeating China is impossible without understanding that Russia is our enemy)
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To: rbmillerjr

No official source ever confirmed the presence of Russian forces in Donbas. It is a hoax disseminated by Poroshenko regime to explain the defeat in the battle of Ilovaysk in 2015.
The shelling is by both sides, but the targets and casualties reliably confirm who shoots first.
There is no benefit in it for the rebels. Ukraine needed it no claim no ceasefire to drag on Misnk agreements.
Yep, Buden screwed it up. He had to tell Zelensky to implement Minsk and it could be all over.


80 posted on 02/22/2022 10:05:44 AM PST by NorseViking
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