Posted on 02/18/2022 9:46:27 AM PST by Kevmo
The purpose of this post is to promote discussion of Ukrainian accession to NATO as a way to engage an aggressive neutrality in their local region.
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Russia Ukraine conflict 2022 Conservapedia page https://www.conservapedia.com/Russia_Ukraine_conflict_2022
The Russia-Ukraine conflict of 2022 included reports by the liberal media that Russia -- which Leftists despite because it opposes the homosexual agenda and is pro-life -- would attack Ukraine on February 16, 2022, which did not happen.[1]
At issue is the Culture War as liberals in the West attempt to extend their agenda into Ukraine, which was formerly a member of the Soviet Union adjacent to Russia. Gay pride marches have been held in Ukraine in defiance of the conservative values in Russia. Suggestions of Ukraine even joining NATO, an alliance initially established to oppose the Soviet Union, have further suggested encroachment on the traditionally Russia-aligned nation.
Ukraine's president is a comedian and the nation is exploited by a small group of billionaire oligarchs.
References https://www.voanews.com/a/on-day-russia-was-meant-to-invade-ukrainians-go-about-their-affairs/6443905.html
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Since the Conservapedia article references joining NATO, here is their NATO page
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (Redirected from NATO) https://www.conservapedia.com/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization
Under Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Black African slave trade was restored by NATO in Africa.[1] The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is a military alliance initially founded in 1949 to combat the spread of communism in Central Europe from the Soviet Union, but has since become a promoter of globalism and the liberal social agenda.
Since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, NATO has departed immensely from its original purpose. Once a bulwark against Soviet communism, it is now a bulwark of globalism,[2] neoconservatism, Islamism, imperialism, and promoter of the homosexual agenda. President Donald Trump was highly critical of how the United States has been saddled with the bulk of the cost throughout its history while Europe has not paid its agreed upon mandated share of defense costs.
NATO is not "the world's policeman"; neither is it an enforcement arm or extension of the United Nations.
NATO's official website states its political motive under Orwellian language: "NATO promotes democratic values and enables members to consult and cooperate on defence and security-related issues to solve problems, build trust and, in the long run, prevent conflict."[3] Since the end of the Cold War, NATO has waged two wars of aggression, one against Serbia to carve out the state of Kosovo, and another in Libya which resulted in chaos and the return of the slave trade in Black Africans. Its current secretary is Jens Stoltenberg of Norway.
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Ukraine–NATO relations From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations
Ukraine-NATO relations Map indicating locations of NATO and Ukraine
Relations between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) started in 1992.[1] Ukraine applied to begin a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008.[2][3] Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election in which Viktor Yanukovych, who preferred to keep the country non-aligned, was elected President.[4][5] Amid the Euromaidan unrest, Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February 2014.[6] The interim Yatseniuk Government which came to power initially said, with reference to the country's non-aligned status, that it had no plans to join NATO.[7] However, following the Russian military invasion in Ukraine and parliamentary elections in October 2014, the new government made joining NATO a priority.[8] On 21 February 2019, the Constitution of Ukraine was amended, the norms on the strategic course of Ukraine for membership in the European Union and NATO are enshrined in the preamble of the Basic Law, three articles and transitional provisions.[9][10]
At the June 2021 Brussels Summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process and Ukraine's right to determine its own future and foreign policy, of course without outside interference.[11] NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also stressed that Russia will not be able to veto Ukraine's accession to NATO, as we will not return to the era of spheres of interest, when large countries decide what smaller ones should do.[12]
According to polls conducted between 2005 and 2013, Ukrainian public support of NATO membership remained low.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19] However, since Russo-Ukrainian War and Annexation of Crimea, public support for Ukrainian membership in NATO has risen greatly. Since June 2014, polls showed that about 50% of those asked supported Ukrainian NATO membership.[20][21][22][23] Some 69% of Ukrainians want to join NATO, according to a June 2017 poll by the Democratic Initiatives Foundation, compared to 28% support in 2012 when Yanukovych was in power.[24]
Kevmo, you do nothing but rant for Forever War.
***What a crock of shiite.
Face it - Conservative, Inc. was a scam and all of the wars since the fall of the Soviet Union was the Military Industrial Complex keeping itself fed on American treasure and blood.
***You seem to wanna say that regardless of the context of the person you’re writing it to. It’s almost like you don’t know how to read.
You sir, can go straight to hell
***You, troll, can go straight to hell yourself.
along with Cheney, McConnell and all of the other Deep State death merchants.
***You don’t even read up on what I have to say, so kiss off, troll.
Why are you even responding when you are so obviously outmatched? Your rants are like slaps form tiny baby-arms. Maybe your poor performance is because to all the blood went from your head to your engorged and wet-for-war lady parts?
You go fight the Russians in Russian territory and show us how it is done armchair warrior.
Overall your irrational rebuttal
***Notably, you haven’t challenged a single point. Because YOU are the irrational one here.
was not a very good defense of your warped, misguided neocon globalism.
***Again: I’m not neocon, I’m paleocon. I’m not globalist, I’m an AmericaFirster Trumplican Socon Constitutionalist.
You simply are incapable of understanding history.
***I obviously know more of history because you have demonstrated zero awareness of such details as how Russia was allied to NAZI Germany and started World War 2. You are incapable of knowing history as a result.
Yet this is an open forum and all opinions however inane
***That describes your opinion quite well.
can be found and are even welcome for educational purposes.
***If someone’s opinion is so inane then it should be very easy to counter such an opinion with straightforward facts and history but you are incapable of doing this. That makes you more inane than an inane.
Keep it classy Kevmo.
***You’re the troll, WM.
Having your panties in a bunch and chafing up your mangina
***So, all this “keep it classy” doesn’t apply to you. Got it. Hypocrisy.
is no excuse for being rude.
***I used to be much more polite but then I realized after reading through the new testament that Jesus was sometimes using very severe insults. He was quite rude at times. So, take it up with Him. Don’t forget to use those ‘classy’ comments towards Him.
Why are you even responding when you are so obviously outmatched?
***Feel free to show us where you’ve corrected your classical fallacies, troll.
Your rants are like slaps form tiny baby-arms.
***Then why do you feel it necessary to throw out such disgusting insults? Oh, I Know: It is because you are a troll.
Maybe your poor performance is because to all the blood went from your head to your engorged and wet-for-war lady parts?
***Maybe you should take a class on how to deliver more classy insults.
You go fight the Russians in Russian territory
***Horseshiite. Ukraine aint Russian territory. It’s Ukrainian territory.
and show us how it is done armchair warrior.
***You go, girl. Show us all how that wussified pacifism works.
I think I made it mad.
What is it with you, anyways? You can’t just defend your position, you have to go downshitfing into insults and you don’t even argue your points any more. That is very trollish behavior.
Biden is running a false-flag to distract from his disastrous first year and crimes against America and you, like an idiot, lap it up.
That is the statement of fact that wins the argument you sad little twist.
Biden is running a false-flag to distract from his disastrous first year and crimes against America and you, like an idiot, lap it up.
***I don’t lap anything up, lapdog. I came up with this approach independently and it is in America’s best interest to follow it, thereby adding an ally and avoiding war. But your interest is in throwing around silly-girl level insults.
That is the statement of fact
***Then establish it as a fact. Back it up. Show us where it’s fact. I’m all ears and I even agree with you that Biden is trying to generate a false-flag operation but there is very little factual evidence to back it up. Learn the difference between fact and your own assertions, lapdog.
that wins the argument you sad little twist.
***You win an argument because you say you win an argument. That’s pretty immature bullshiite right there, you sad example of humanity. Quit being a lapdog. Think for yourself, twit.
You are beneath me 😎
You ask how is my discussion of Chinese plans relevant to Ukraine. Russia would not do what it is doing without the full backing of China. China has its own territorial ambitions, in both Taiwan and the South China Sea. China and Russia have not had a military conflict since 1969, with that war being the result of Mao's hostility to the "revisionist" Soviet Union. Since 2005, the Russians and the Chinese have cooperated closely. China has Russia's back, and vice versa.
If the Russians invade Ukraine or force that country to accept a relationship like what Finland had with the USSR from 1945 to 1989, it would be no surprise that China will do likewise with respect to Taiwan. If the United States, NATO, and America's East Asian allies fail to stop Chinese and Russian aggression, it would be evidence that the United States is no longer the world's preeminent power. Russia and China are facing the weakest American president since James Buchanan, who was President when the United States had minimal presence outside of the Western Hemisphere.
I doubt he would be aiming to end Ukrainian independence without the support of his senior partner, Xi Jinping.
***Okay, sounds plausible but you need to develop this with factuality.
You ask how is my discussion of Chinese plans relevant to Ukraine.
***I saw you develop that, it was just a little bit... roundabout.
Russia would not do what it is doing without the full backing of China.
***This is simply an assertion. Like I said, it needs more factuality.
China has its own territorial ambitions, in both Taiwan and the South China Sea. China and Russia have not had a military conflict since 1969, with that war being the result of Mao’s hostility to the “revisionist” Soviet Union.
***Over there, memories tend to fade slower than they do here in the West. China could be holding a grudge. They probably hold a grudge against Vietnam, who punched their nose in 1979.
Since 2005, the Russians and the Chinese have cooperated closely. China has Russia’s back, and vice versa.
***Just needs more factuality developed, that’s all.
If the Russians invade Ukraine or force that country to accept a relationship like what Finland had with the USSR from 1945 to 1989,
***They already HAVE engaged in the Finlandization of Ukraine. They already HAVE invaded, and annexed the Crimea.
it would be no surprise that China will do likewise with respect to Taiwan.
***You would need to develop the factuality behind your assertion.
If the United States, NATO, and America’s East Asian allies fail to stop Chinese and Russian aggression, it would be evidence that the United States is no longer the world’s preeminent power.
***There is plenty of evidence already that we are no longer the world’s pre-eminent power. But maybe that’s a giant no-care because America was a GREAT country before we became a superpower.
Russia and China are facing the weakest American president since James Buchanan, who was President when the United States had minimal presence outside of the Western Hemisphere.
***Yeah I can see that. But your assertions need more facts behind them.
You’re delusional.
“In love with myself? What a crock. It’s just a bunch of things I’ve regularly posted on FR. I’ll defend each item.”
The clearest indication of an insecure narcissist: Quoting yourself ad nauseam! It just screams: Look at me!
I rest my case.
What, you’re too much of a wuss to even comment on an ideological matrix throwdown? All you have is insults. And even your insults suq ballz.
Looks like I poked your insecurity. Put some ice on it.
At least your insults are getting better. Since you aint interested in taking a writing class nor a critical thinking class, perhaps you should take an insult-delivery class so that at least your posts would be tolerable. Unfortunately for you, there’s no such thing as a stupidity removal class.
Update: Exchange on another thread about Budapest Memorandum
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4043819/posts?page=138#138
To: hardspunned
still horribly scared from what Hitler did to them.
***They conveniently overlook what THEY did to countries like Poland when they helped start world war 2 by dividing it up with their allies the NAZIs, and how they raped eastern Europe during the cold war.
138 posted on 3/4/2022, 9:23:56 PM by Kevmo (Not a Putin fan myself, I only wish for a president who loves our country as much as Putin loves his)
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To: Kevmo
That’s all very true but has less than zero effect the threat Russia feels, once again, from the west in 2022.
144 posted on 03/04/2022 9:41:45 PM PST by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned
Why should I care what threat Russia feeeeeelz?
They signed the Budapest Memorandum. They are in violation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three identical political agreements signed at the OSCE conference in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994 to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). The memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.[1]
The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.[2]
149 posted on 03/04/2022 9:52:18 PM PST by Kevmo (Not a Putin fan myself, I only wish for a president who loves our country as much as Putin loves his)
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