Russia Ukraine conflict 2022

Conservapedia, et al ^ | Feb 2022 | Multiple Authors

[Kevmo]

The purpose of this post is to promote discussion of Ukrainian accession to NATO as a way to engage an aggressive neutrality in their local region.

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Russia Ukraine conflict 2022 Conservapedia page https://www.conservapedia.com/Russia_Ukraine_conflict_2022

The Russia-Ukraine conflict of 2022 included reports by the liberal media that Russia -- which Leftists despite because it opposes the homosexual agenda and is pro-life -- would attack Ukraine on February 16, 2022, which did not happen.[1]

At issue is the Culture War as liberals in the West attempt to extend their agenda into Ukraine, which was formerly a member of the Soviet Union adjacent to Russia. Gay pride marches have been held in Ukraine in defiance of the conservative values in Russia. Suggestions of Ukraine even joining NATO, an alliance initially established to oppose the Soviet Union, have further suggested encroachment on the traditionally Russia-aligned nation.

Ukraine's president is a comedian and the nation is exploited by a small group of billionaire oligarchs.

References https://www.voanews.com/a/on-day-russia-was-meant-to-invade-ukrainians-go-about-their-affairs/6443905.html

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Since the Conservapedia article references joining NATO, here is their NATO page

North Atlantic Treaty Organization (Redirected from NATO) https://www.conservapedia.com/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization

Under Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Black African slave trade was restored by NATO in Africa.[1] The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is a military alliance initially founded in 1949 to combat the spread of communism in Central Europe from the Soviet Union, but has since become a promoter of globalism and the liberal social agenda.

Since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, NATO has departed immensely from its original purpose. Once a bulwark against Soviet communism, it is now a bulwark of globalism,[2] neoconservatism, Islamism, imperialism, and promoter of the homosexual agenda. President Donald Trump was highly critical of how the United States has been saddled with the bulk of the cost throughout its history while Europe has not paid its agreed upon mandated share of defense costs.

NATO is not "the world's policeman"; neither is it an enforcement arm or extension of the United Nations.

NATO's official website states its political motive under Orwellian language: "NATO promotes democratic values and enables members to consult and cooperate on defence and security-related issues to solve problems, build trust and, in the long run, prevent conflict."[3] Since the end of the Cold War, NATO has waged two wars of aggression, one against Serbia to carve out the state of Kosovo, and another in Libya which resulted in chaos and the return of the slave trade in Black Africans. Its current secretary is Jens Stoltenberg of Norway.

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Ukraine–NATO relations From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations

Ukraine-NATO relations Map indicating locations of NATO and Ukraine

Relations between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) started in 1992.[1] Ukraine applied to begin a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008.[2][3] Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election in which Viktor Yanukovych, who preferred to keep the country non-aligned, was elected President.[4][5] Amid the Euromaidan unrest, Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February 2014.[6] The interim Yatseniuk Government which came to power initially said, with reference to the country's non-aligned status, that it had no plans to join NATO.[7] However, following the Russian military invasion in Ukraine and parliamentary elections in October 2014, the new government made joining NATO a priority.[8] On 21 February 2019, the Constitution of Ukraine was amended, the norms on the strategic course of Ukraine for membership in the European Union and NATO are enshrined in the preamble of the Basic Law, three articles and transitional provisions.[9][10]

At the June 2021 Brussels Summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process and Ukraine's right to determine its own future and foreign policy, of course without outside interference.[11] NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also stressed that Russia will not be able to veto Ukraine's accession to NATO, as we will not return to the era of spheres of interest, when large countries decide what smaller ones should do.[12]

According to polls conducted between 2005 and 2013, Ukrainian public support of NATO membership remained low.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19] However, since Russo-Ukrainian War and Annexation of Crimea, public support for Ukrainian membership in NATO has risen greatly. Since June 2014, polls showed that about 50% of those asked supported Ukrainian NATO membership.[20][21][22][23] Some 69% of Ukrainians want to join NATO, according to a June 2017 poll by the Democratic Initiatives Foundation, compared to 28% support in 2012 when Yanukovych was in power.[24]

[WMarshal]

I too have had my comments deleted by the mods on occasion. However I’ve never reported any rate to the mods because I called them out in the forum like a man and not a tattle-tail leftist puke.

I’m arguing with you because you are either an idiot or you are a warmongering leftist. You are either the type of fool who will follow every distraction while you are enslaved and impoverished or you are in on the scam.

[daniel1212]

So while liberals seek to "impose" their depraved culture on the world, Putin does what liberals dream of doing, that of controlling all media and banning any promotion of any faith aside from that of the state, and alliances with China against the US.

[rbmillerjr]

I see you continue to lick the Putin jackboot. Bravo.

[WMarshal]

"I see you continue to lick the Putin jackboot. Bravo."

How can you type with Creepy Joe's balls in your mouth?

[ought-six]

Too funny!

You have already lost the argument.

You are one of those rare individuals for whom it can be said, that whenever you speak, something is subtracted from the sum total of human knowledge.

[rbmillerjr]

so, you are on your knees to the smallish Putin, gurgling...good job on those jackboots

[WMarshal]

Sorry cuckservative, nobody wants your fake forever war with no benefit to the United States.

Tell your buddies in DU how mean we are to you.

[ought-six]

I just read your profile page. My God, you are in love with yourself! I don’t think I’ve ever seen such self-promoting swill on FR before.

[rbmillerjr]

Keep sucking on Putin’s jackboots, you weak assed appeaser. We don’t need more weakness after Biden.

[caww]

FR has a few Cold War thinkers who still see these world events thru the old school lens. Interesting is our military leaders have commented in the past, when facing potential conflicts, that these same people often create serious issues in resolving potential conflicts because they are so intent on war...

[Reily]

“...they are so intent on war.......”

See Wiliam Briggs article

https://wmbriggs.com/post/39085/

[caww]

As has been revealed.....”The hysteria is coming out of the desperate-to-distract Biden admin, and the war lobby”......

[Wallace T.]

With respect to China, the leadership is committed to becoming the dominant power on this planet. After the death of Mao, the CCP followed what the early Soviets called the New Economic Policy, but on steroids, allowing a large portion of the economy to be under the private sector, but with that sector well controlled by regime allies, e.g., the PLA owning several large enterprises. On the other hand, Russia might be able to conquer Ukraine, but its economy is largely propelled by energy exports. California's GDP is $3.0 trillion, vs. Russia is $1.5 trillion. On top of that, Putin and his cronies have extracted billions of dollars from the Russian economy. Russia alone cannot sustain a major war of conquest and occupation without a senior partner, which is Red China.

There is an element of nationalistic revenge on the part of China, for the humiliation that nation suffered in the 19th and nth Centuries, when Britain, France, and other countries, including the United States, occupied parts of China and dictated terms to the Chinese government regrading trade, including opium. Combined with the Marxist ideology that believes in the ultimate triumph of Communism, China's leadership is in a mindframe to establish world domination.

China and Russia are partners and have been so for several decades. Both countries have played a shell game with the West. China has established deep business ties with Western businesses and politicians: $2 million to the Clinton Foundation in 2013. Mitch McConnell has deep ties with China through his wife. Through these business and political connections, China has compromised much of the elite in both this country and the Western democracies.

You must understand that the ruling elite in our country and other Western countries are opposed to traditional and Biblical values. You cannot call the oppression connected to COVID in Canada, Australia, Germany, Austria, and numerous other so-called democracies anything other than tyranny, moving towards a Chinese style regime.

On the other hand, Russia has played a game of appearing to support traditional values and Orthodox Christianity. It is amazing what mileage the Russians have achieved with an occasional sign of the cross or candle lighting. The Soviets spent 70 years trying to suppress religion unsuccessfully. So the Soviets dropped the anti-religion campaign, and, under long standing KGB infiltration of the Russian Orthodox Church, developed a new narrative to gain the assent of the Russian population. They have convinced large segments of the conservative and libertarian communities that Russia is opposed to the New World Order. Now they are opposed to the West, but the Russians and the Chinese, combined with smaller Communist and radical Islamic states, want their own world order.

I am sorry for the Ukrainians. But the United States and its NATO allies are no longer nations committed to Western and Christian values. Again, no good guys between the Chinese/Russian combination or the Western New World Order.

[Kevmo]

In love with myself? What a crock. It’s just a bunch of things I’ve regularly posted on FR. I’ll defend each item. You wanna throw down on a FR-based ideology matrix?

Your swill stinks. Go ahead. Let’s throw down. My prediction is you will back down and it won’t stop you from commenting on an ideology matrix. Go ahead.

[Kevmo]

You have already lost the argument.
***I notice you aint arguing any points any more. You aint defending your position, you aint correcting your logical fallacies. Now you’ve downgraded to insults. Those are all signs that YOU have lost the argument.

You are one of those rare individuals for whom it can be said,
***It can CERTAINLY be said about you, and you employ classical logical fallacies to boot.

that whenever you speak, something is subtracted from the sum total of human knowledge.
***You sound kinda butt-hurt. Maybe you should get some salve.

[Kevmo]

I too have had my comments deleted by the mods on occasion. However I’ve never reported any rate
***You lost me here. Some kind of unrecoverable typo.

to the mods because I called them out in the forum like a man and not a tattle-tail leftist puke.
***I called YOU out on the forum as a troll and I pinged the Viking Kitties to weigh in. The ones I pinged are the official sniffers for trolls. You don’t like that? Then don’t call a fellow FReeper a troll.

I’m arguing with you because you are either an idiot
***Well, I KNOW you are an idiot. So I don’t need to introduce any false dilemmas just to say crappy things about a fellow FReeper.

or you are a warmongering leftist.
***I’m an AmericaFirst Paleocon Trumplican Constitutionalist. I’ll throw down against you on a FReeRepublic based issue-by-issue ideology matrix, troll.

You are either the type of fool who will follow every distraction while you are enslaved and impoverished or
***Wow dude. You threw down 2 false dilemma fallacies in a row. I don’t think I’ve ever run across someone as dimwitted as you on FR.

you are in on the scam.
***You’re just a troll.

[Kevmo]

With respect to China, the leadership is committed to becoming the dominant power on this planet.
***True enough, but basically irrelevant to the focus of this thread, which is the relationship of Ukraine to NATO.

After the death of Mao, the CCP followed what the early Soviets called the New Economic Policy, but on steroids, allowing a large portion of the economy to be under the private sector, but with that sector well controlled by regime allies, e.g., the PLA owning several large enterprises. On the other hand, Russia might be able to conquer Ukraine, but its economy is largely propelled by energy exports. California’s GDP is $3.0 trillion, vs. Russia is $1.5 trillion. On top of that, Putin and his cronies have extracted billions of dollars from the Russian economy. Russia alone cannot sustain a major war of conquest and occupation without a senior partner, which is Red China.
***Oh, so the relevance is how China is allied with Russia.

There is an element of nationalistic revenge on the part of China, for the humiliation that nation suffered in the 19th and nth Centuries, when Britain, France, and other countries, including the United States, occupied parts of China and dictated terms to the Chinese government regrading trade, including opium. Combined with the Marxist ideology that believes in the ultimate triumph of Communism, China’s leadership is in a mindframe to establish world domination.
***Yup enough, okay.

China and Russia are partners and have been so for several decades.
***They have had border skirmishes on China’s northern border.

Both countries have played a shell game with the West. China has established deep business ties with Western businesses and politicians: $2 million to the Clinton Foundation in 2013. Mitch McConnell has deep ties with China through his wife. Through these business and political connections, China has compromised much of the elite in both this country and the Western democracies.
***You sure are talking a lot about China. This is a thread about the Ukraine.

You must understand that the ruling elite in our country and other Western countries are opposed to traditional and Biblical values.
***This is a relatively recent phenomena.

You cannot call the oppression connected to COVID in Canada, Australia, Germany, Austria, and numerous other so-called democracies anything other than tyranny, moving towards a Chinese style regime.
***Yeah, okay. But we’re still not talking about Ukraine.

On the other hand, Russia has played a game of appearing to support traditional values and Orthodox Christianity. It is amazing what mileage the Russians have achieved with an occasional sign of the cross or candle lighting. The Soviets spent 70 years trying to suppress religion unsuccessfully. So the Soviets dropped the anti-religion campaign, and, under long standing KGB infiltration of the Russian Orthodox Church, developed a new narrative to gain the assent of the Russian population. They have convinced large segments of the conservative and libertarian communities that Russia is opposed to the New World Order. Now they are opposed to the West, but the Russians and the Chinese, combined with smaller Communist and radical Islamic states, want their own world order.
***You seem to be talking pretty far afield of the Ukrainian issue with NATO.

I am sorry for the Ukrainians. But the United States and its NATO allies are no longer nations committed to Western and Christian values.
***Oh, good, we’re talking about Ukraine.

Again, no good guys between the Chinese/Russian combination or the Western New World Order.
***Again, I think there CAN be good guys.

[WMarshal]

Kevmo, you do nothing but rant for Forever War. Face it - Conservative, Inc. was a scam and all of the wars since the fall of the Soviet Union was the Military Industrial Complex keeping itself fed on American treasure and blood.

You sir, can go straight to hell along with Cheney, McConnell and all of the other Deep State death merchants.

[Kevmo]

FR has a few Cold War thinkers who still see these world events thru the old school lens.
***Horse manure. I’m not a Cold War thinker. I’m an independent thinker.

Interesting is our military leaders have commented in the past, when facing potential conflicts, that these same people often create serious issues in resolving potential conflicts because they are so intent
***Intent? You think that is my INTENTION? You’re reading my MIND? AND: You say my intent is towards WAR when I openly posted that my intent is towards NOT WAR. Where do you come from? Did you just inVENT this stuff?

on war...
***My intention is on PEACE. I said so. What evidence do you have of an otherwise intention?