Posted on 01/13/2022 1:02:43 PM PST by redguyinabluestate
In a Wednesday memo to Democrats, Schumer promised to employ a process called “messages between the houses” to get both bills onto the Senate floor.
If you’re asking yourself, “What are ‘messages between the houses?’” you aren’t alone. Rules wonk that I am, I’d never heard of this process. But here’s the short version: Before a bill can become a law, the House and Senate both have to agree on the wording of that bill. Most of us are familiar with the two chambers putting together a conference committee to hammer out the differences in language — though these have been rare in recent years, as more and more obstruction has become the norm.
An alternate method uses “messages between the houses” to pass amendments to bills back and forth. “Each house has one opportunity to amend the amendments from the other house, so there can be Senate amendments to House amendments to Senate amendments to a House bill,” the Congressional Research Service explained. What’s important for this current situation, though, is that amendments from the House are considered “privileged,” which means they can be put before the Senate without debate. That, in turn, means there’s no opportunity for Republicans to filibuster bringing the amended bill to the floor.
This leads us to the play from Schumer and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. The two Democratic leaders have picked a bill that has already been passed back and forth several times: one on NASA. The House will pass “an amendment in the nature of a substitute,” essentially deleting the entirety of the original text and replacing it with the Freedom to Vote Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act. (The House Rules Committee met on Wednesday night to get that process started.)
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Because of our most stupid spineless bamboozled gutless representative at the hill letting the 2020 election steal slide now the evil demonic rats are emboldened and nothing is going to stop them. Sadly the rats will have their way...consider the Filibuster nuked! The rats are slimy cunning evil and know that they have the most powerful institutions in their corner...They have the freedom to destruct a nation and to do whatever they damn well please. I blame a lot of this on McConnell, Graham McCarthy and the rest of the POS RINOS. They should have fought alongside their base and drag the rats through the mud with hearings and court proceedings against the big election heist. But instead they ran to their nearest office corner and coward like little wimpering dogs!
If the democrats pass this bill, it may turn my head against voting for them in the future.
Still needs to beat the filibuster, noob. And Sinema just said, “No.”
Yea Sinema just reiterated NO again today around Noon. And Biden met with her and Mancin (and others) around noon. He came out pretty flustered and sounded like it would not pass. But I just saw, Biden is meeting again this evening with Manchin and Sinema, so you never know.
No. You are wrong.
There are two opportunities to block a bill in the Senate via a filibuster. The first opportunity comes when a motion is made to proceed to consider a piece of legislation — that is, to open up debate on the bill. Previously, votes on motions to proceed to debate voting rights legislation (both the John Lewis bill and the Manchin sponsored Freedom to Vote bill) failed to get 60 votes, stopping the bills in their tracks.
Schumer’s strategy gets around the need for 60 votes just to open debate.
But there has to be a second vote to close debate. And that will still require 60 votes.
When it fails to get 60 votes, Schumer will call for a vote on the nuclear option — a ruling that 60 votes are not needed to close debate on voting rights legislation. Presumably Manchin and Sinema will vote yea on the motion to close debate. But the question is whether, after that vote falls short of 60, will they support the nuclear option.
Irrelevant to current issue
If they pass this crap people should take to the streets and scare the hell out of the Dems
Guy is a dirt bag.
That was how they did Obamadoesn’tcare.
The closest the Republicans ever came to this was blocking the Garland nomination. Otherwise, they cave, always. See McConnell's latest government shutdown debt ceiling extensions. If the roles were reversed, the Democrats would have shut it all down and blamed Republicans.
Now they're blaming Republicans for not supporting their Democrats Forever election bill, which they're willing to blow up the Senate to get.
It's rinse and repeat for Democrats. They did it with Obamacare to give Obama a "signature" policy win, and they're going to do it again with Biden to give him a "signature" win.
This is the kind of governing Americans can expect in the future if Democrats get away with it. It will be mandates forever.
-PJ
No. You are wrong.
There are two opportunities to block a bill in the Senate via a filibuster. The first opportunity comes when a motion is made to proceed to consider a piece of legislation â that is, to open up debate on the bill. Previously, votes on motions to proceed to debate voting rights legislation (both the John Lewis bill and the Manchin sponsored Freedom to Vote bill) failed to get 60 votes, stopping the bills in their tracks.
SchumerâÂÂs strategy gets around the need for 60 votes just to open debate.
But there has to be a second vote to close debate. And that will still require 60 votes.
When it fails to get 60 votes, Schumer will call for a vote on the nuclear option â a ruling that 60 votes are not needed to close debate on voting rights legislation. Presumably Manchin and Sinema will vote yea on the motion to close debate. But the question is whether, after that vote falls short of 60, will they support the nuclear option.
They can count on Romney to step up to fill a gap
I forgot that Schumer is also trying to pressure McConnell to give him another "carveout" of the filibuster rule for the vote on this, just like he got McConnell to agree to for the debt ceiling debate.
Do you think McConnell will cave to that? McConnell has a history of allowing the cloture vote and then hiding behind the "No" vote on the actual bill that still passes.
-PJ
Nothing is too far for Pierre Delecto.
Just do what they always do and ignore the rules and pass it anyway. Since when did they give a sh*t about the rules.
Or use my favorite of all “deam and pass”...Just pretend that it passed, And implement it.
Much like the contractor that was fired from a job and returns the next day with a new name on the van and the same workers inside. You have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it is now re label any bill that will pass and change what’s in it
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