Posted on 01/09/2022 10:13:32 AM PST by rktman
Imagine: It is September 4, 2035, in Miami and a large Cat. 5 hurricane is offshore headed straight for the city.
Roughly 7 million persons are in the general area where the hurricane will come ashore in 24 hours. The governor orders an evacuation of the Miami–Fort Lauderdale area of Florida. All of the cars start heading north on I-95. All lanes are cleared to head northbound. With Congress and President Cortez having mandated that all cars built after 2030 must be electric (no hybrids), everyone heads north, but now all the people are caught up in a terrible traffic jam.
Electric cars are starting to stall out on I-95 as well as the A1A and the Turnpike as they run out of power. There are simply not enough charging stations to charge the cars, and police monitoring the available chargers are limiting drivers to 15 minutes. Chargers are shutting down as water shorts out the charging heads on the cars. The electric cars are turning off their air-conditioners to preserve their remaining charge.
You are stuck in a traffic jam all night with the storm headed right at you. No battery, no A/C, no windshield-wipers, no GPS. All that you can do is call 911 and hope for help, but they can't because all of the roads are blocked with stalled electric vehicles. The new electric police and EMT vehicles mandated by President Cortez soon are out of juice. The wind is increasing. Then Florida Power and Light turns off the grid as power lines come down.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
We got 9 years left anyway. Ask AOC.
I come across people who flat out lie. It's just obvious. I'm neutral on the EV vs ICE, and post viewpoints either way, and I get responses from either side full of nasty replies, as I'm sure you also get. Crazy!
I have an EV. I also have multiple ICE vehicles. I do carpentry as a hobby, and pick and choose my tools according to my needs. The right tool for the job helps get the job done. I got an EV because circumstances warranted it. Retired and live in an urban environment where we usually average less than 20 miles a day. The EV costs little to nothing to operate, I charge it once every couple weeks overnight in my garage, and rarely used outside charge services (have done so at venues 100 miles away, even though I didn't need it). My service checkups (to keep the warranty in effect) cost $35. That contrasts to the service visits on my ICE vehicles that average over $500 a visit. Not to mention the near $100 smog checks that are required to register my ICE vehicles in California, despite the fact that I do very little mileage on them.
I find that my EV is a daily driver because of ease of use and low cost. I'll use my truck to haul heavy materials, but gas is expensive (get about 15mpg). I use my other cars for long trips (SF to San Diego or to Oregon) and the gas is expensive. Also got tired of expensive maintenance costs on the ICE vehicles.
Like I said, pick and choose tools depending on the task. In my situation, having both an EV and an ICE vehicle works. I don't think EVs will get more than 25 percent market share because ICE vehicles are necessary in this world.
As it was long ago, and is so today, EV's are ok for those in urban areas where charging stations abound, shorter distances are traveled, and drivers aren't worried about the time to charge.
When I'm out delivering or buying goods in remote South Dakota, I can't be bothered with finding a charging station nor afford the time to do that when I'm 2000 miles from headquarters. I don't want a three day trip turning into a week long trip.
It was easier and cheaper to transport gas.
And it still is. Is it easier to bring gas to stranded cars on I95 in Virginia or is it easier to bring batteries/chargers to the same?
“...where charging stations abound....” 😏🙌 Not in our neck of Reno.
It’s my firm belief that EV’s are, indeed, the future, and that they will take 100% of market share from ICE vehicles.
But not in their current state. Not with batteries.
It is when EV’s become fuel-cell based, that’s when they will take off. The 10 minute gas-up will be replaced with the 5-minute hydrogen-up.
The same situation would be valid last week when I95 was paralyzed due to snow. Would be lots of frozen bodies in the electric cars.
“Rare!”
You, like most other EV-nerds, live in Fantasy Land.
EVs took off when the GOVERNMENT decided upon itself to offer tax breaks to buyers as an incentive. In fact, your President, Joe Biden, has very generous tax incentives written into his Build Back Better bill that you would love him to pass. More bait for folks to buy something.
When the first ones, Tesla’s, hit the market they were going for over $100k. Toys for Rich Boys. In Georgia, the rich guy that wanted a cool Tesla, Sunday Driver, got a tax break.
Take away the tax breaks and the only folks buying them, for the most part, are liberal hipsters thinking they’re doing something for the environment. But, of course, since the lithium and nickel mining isn’t happening down the street they can conveniently ignore the devastation caused by that mining.
Additionally, folks like you and other EV-nerds never want to admit that your cars are powered by the mean, old, ugly fossil fueled power plant, far, far away. Again, since it isn’t happening down the street, it doesn’t exist.
Folks in rural America, NOT liberals that move to a small country town or the mountains because they think it’s cute, drive pick-ups with gas or diesel.
Here’s my fact...
If you are actually an owner of an EV, how do you charge the battery?
Do you have a solar system or wind turbine set up at your home to charge the batteries? If you do not, then you are 10000% a hypocrite.
Rivian, the newest one on the block. Why? They’re going to making buses, SUVs and pickups. Starting at $75,000. Awesome. So affordable. And the only reason they’re on the map like they are is because Bezo’s bought their vehicles. Time will tell if Amazon delivers packages as efficiently as they have in the past when their vans have to stop and recharge.
Of course, Tesla’s stock and Musk’s wealth went through the roof when Hertz announced the purchase of 100,000 EVs. We’ll see how long they last and how fast Hertz has to revert back to the evil gas guzzler.
As for Toyota, I’m sure the CEO and BoD can’t wait to perfect their solid state battery and provide that technology free of charge to their competitors.
Electric cars are a fad that will soon be in our rear view mirror!
I am, however, a fan of hybrid autos. I believe there is a market for them, and would buy one if and when the technology improves.
“...where charging stations abound....” 😏🙌 Not in our neck of Reno.”
Reno has 207 charging locations and growing and of course most people charge from home.
From Pluginshare.com
Reno Charging Stats
207 Total Stations 69 Free Stations 0 New Stations (90 days) 44 Fast Chargers 5 CHAdeMO Plugs 12 CCS Plugs 32 Superchargers 91 J-1772 Plugs
Top Charging Networks in Reno
Tesla Destination 57 stations ChargePoint 43 stations Supercharger 32 stations OpConnect 11 stations
This.👍
One of the biggest problems is here in the country we are in an electric coop which has the longest line mileage per customer in Virginia by far. And along all of those miles are trees falling on the lines. They are still restoring power from last Monday's snowstorm. I think they are up to 94% now, after 6 days and lots of broken promises. We are the owners so we can't complain. We have to hire numerous outside contractors.
As a result our electricity is much more expensive than city or suburb electricity. I have about 20 panels and can probably hook up some more and charge the car off grid, but it will take a long time especially in winter.
😊 I have probably purchased my last vehicle in any case so don’t know why I’m worried either way. Sorta like vaxxes. Get it if you want it. Have an awesome week.
“If you are actually an owner of an EV, how do you charge the battery? Do you have a solar system or wind turbine set up at your home to charge the batteries? If you do not, then you are 10000% a hypocrite”
Our closest neighbor is close to a mile away and we drive 4x4’s so I know the pitfalls of rural use with EV’s.
Who said most EV owners are doing it to be green?? Some are most just want new technoilogy and see value in EV’s
“As for Toyota, I’m sure the CEO and BoD can’t wait to perfect their solid state battery and provide that technology free of charge to their competitors”
See below. Every company already has the technology and all say they are going to lithium free solid state batteries. Way lower cost, very safe, fast charging and 1/2 the space and weight.
Lithium batteries are 80’s and 90’s technology.
Stellantis, Mercedes-Benz invest in solid-state battery developer Factorial Energy | TechCrunch
Solid-State EV Battery Plot Thickens As GM Inks Deal with POSCO (cleantechnica.com)
BMW and Ford Invest in Solid-State Battery Startup for Future EVs (caranddriver.com)
You are either ignorant or not without a bias. The scenario described is logical and realistic. Getting thousands and thousands of people out using EV’s will not work.
The two words “Fossil Fuel” are misnomers. There is no such thing as fossil fuel petroleums. The oil that is pumped from the planets crust, is the result of a natural process that produces it. It is an essentially inexhaustible supply, that neither harms the environment, nor endangers the balance of CO-2 to O-2, Hydrogen, Helium and other rare gases. The entire scare program is built upon lies. By the time we begin running out of hydrocarbons, we will either have moved beyond their need, or be back in the caves as oil once again replenishes the caverns where it has and will occupy for millenia.
I cannot properly explain it, and most people are taught lies about it in the Western world. We simply have enough oil, gas and coal to power the world for thousands of years, and the ability to mitigate any dangers fairly inexpensively compared to the “Green scams”.
Mercedes, Ford, Chrysler, Chevy, Toyota and Honda are playing a game of chicken. These corporations are being run by idiots, just like our governments. So yeah, they are this stupid. Ask Joe Biden or Kameltoe Harris. Maybe Piglosi, Schiff or Sandy Cortez.
They are pushing for the EV’s, because the government pays them 25% of the cost to build them. Also because the MPG goals the government sets, cannot be reached. A gas powered car that holds a family cannot get 50 MPG. Once most of the world is no longer allowed to own a personal vehicle, because the cost will be prohibitive, including the taxes and the cost of electricity to charge them, the rich and powerful will have access to THE BEST at no cost to them at all. How do they do that? Corporations, controlled by them, allow these people the usage of them, and a very minimal cost. Add on that they will be able to afford the tolls on the roads. Right now it costs about $100 a round trip into and out of the National Capitol PER DAY.
I'm not a believer in fuel-cell based systems for EV's. I have experimented with fuel-cells, and find that it takes a lot of energy into the fuel-cell in order to produce the hydrogen to power a vehicle, and it takes too much time. More efficient just to use the input energy to recharge batteries or directly power an electric vehicle. My wife's brother has a hydrogen-powered car and has problems fueling up, more problems than just using a rechargeable EV (which he doesn't own because his condo doesn't have a parking stall with an electric hookup). In the current state, I believe that ICE vehicles are going to be around for a long time, and will probably keep 75 percent market share in the future.
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