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Why Putin Just Raised a Massive Army Back From the Dead
The Daily Beast ^ | January 7, 2022 | Anna Nemtsova

Posted on 01/08/2022 9:01:51 AM PST by Dr. Franklin

MOSCOW—The sixth day of violent unrest devolved into a massacre on the streets of Kazakhstan’s capital city of Almaty, with dozens of protesters and at least 13 law enforcement officials killed, as well as hundreds more wounded.

President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev—who just a week ago was considered a weak shadow of Kazakhstan’s now-ousted Security Council Chairman Narsultan Nazarbayev—admitted he was the one who had given local security forces the order “to shoot to kill” protestors without warning on Thursday. Never before has any post-Soviet leader confessed to such a terrifying order.

A day prior to Thursday’s bloodshed, Tokayev had claimed he was fighting against “international terrorist gangs,” referring to the Kazakh demonstrators who had taken to the streets this week to protest social and economic turmoil in the country. The president said that local security forces had failed control the situation, and admitted he had asked the the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO)—a Russian-led military alliance with a “peacekeeping force” of 3,600 troops—to help quell the unrest, which is looking more and more like it could spiral into a civil war. The CSTO obliged, with Russian troops arriving on Thursday.

“Tokayev needed CSTO as club to demonstrate to his commanders that, ‘See, Moscow backs me up, there is a Russian soldier that stands next to you shoulder to shoulder,’” pro-Kremlin political expert Sergei Markov told The Daily Beast on Thursday, as Russian special units were boarding military jets enroute to Almaty. “This is the first time CSTO forces get deployed to a foreign state, and it’s a message to Washington: Vladimir Putin has his own effective NATO capable of fulfilling military tasks.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; communism; dictatorship; kazakhstan; kgb; putin; putinsbuttboys; russia; russianpropaganda; sovietunion; ussr
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To: Dr. Franklin

“Why Putin Just Raised a Massive Army Back From the Dead”

With a title like that, would it be too much to expect some talk of numbers compared to the recent past, and then back to the Soviet days?


42 posted on 01/08/2022 11:03:59 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: DesertRhino
n the 80s Fulda Gap days, the Russian army was around 5 million. Today it is 280,000. If anything it is ridiculously small for the size of the country facing constant challenges at it’s own border.

Russia today is the world's largest and strongest nuclear power, thanks mostly to America, as well as its violation of every single weapons and nuclear treaty they have ever agreed to. Thy can fire nukes on the United States and strike any target in the world they want within minutes of the order being given.

But "neocons have to pontificate about something" and Russia is the victim being "challenged" in their backyard, which includes Poland, Estonia, Romania, Germany, Finland, etc.

43 posted on 01/08/2022 11:06:17 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: pierrem15

The rifle fire on the Maidan came from a building occuppied by Right Sektor and Svoboda. The shot a few of their own. That’s pretty well established.


44 posted on 01/08/2022 11:06:22 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: DesertRhino

In the 80s Fulda Gap days, the Russian army was around 5 million. Today it is 280,000.

Plus paramilitary units numbering about 500,000


45 posted on 01/08/2022 11:10:44 AM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: pierrem15

If it was the government doing the sniping, it would have been in the open, just a plain old assault. If you are the government, sniping random people from a hide, and then concealing that you did it, that doesn’t do much for you.

On the other hand, if you are the fascist elements of the Maidan movement, and you can snipe a few people you really don’t like anyway, you can get use it as a provocation, wave the bloody shirt, and inflame the mob.

See also, Ray Epps.


46 posted on 01/08/2022 11:11:46 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: DesertRhino
That’s pretty well established.

By Russia Today, a state controlled tv channel with FSB sitting directly in the room next to the "journalists"?

How come they've never presented this "established" fact to the United Nations, or any independent investigators, such as the OSCE or any of the independent monitors they always demand be present-- but in practice chase out, with guns, because all they ever do is expose Russian lies with their cameras?

47 posted on 01/08/2022 11:12:10 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: enumerated

“I hate to pop anyone’s ballon, but a bunch of these RINOs are not just Republicans who have sold out or gone astray - they are LITERALLY RINOs. They are committed life-long Leftists - simply wearing a disguise.”

Very true. Politics is nothing but a career for most of them. If you live in a super conservative area of Texas or Arizona, you cannot get the job by being a democrat. So you say a few republican sounding things, and then do what you want once in DC. The GOP shuck and jive covers you. There are LOTS of republicans that would have been pleased to hold office as a democrat if they happened to live in a place like Illinois, Maryland, New York, etc.


48 posted on 01/08/2022 11:15:43 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: riverdawg

Wayyyy lower than 5 million even with paramilitaries. And in tanks, tubes, artillery, etc. They are a ghost of their cold war power. Except in nukes, they are still strong there.


49 posted on 01/08/2022 11:21:01 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: DesertRhino; Greetings_Puny_Humans

Russia is stronger now vis a vis world powers than they were during the Cold War. The reason is that both sides disarmed, the US much more so.

Don’t trust Russia. They are very much part of the cause of what happened the last few years (and not the Trump Russia stuff, that was coordinated between Russia and the Dems to cover each other’s tracks). And they support Democrats and Communists.


50 posted on 01/08/2022 12:06:33 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90
And they support Democrats and Communists.

They're just being oppotunistic, we gave them the opening, and they're taking it.

51 posted on 01/08/2022 12:07:16 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator; Greetings_Puny_Humans

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jrnyquist.blog/2020/10/09/putins-dialectic/amp/


52 posted on 01/08/2022 12:10:10 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: DesertRhino

With paramilitary forces included, Russia has about 1.5 million on active duty.


53 posted on 01/08/2022 12:13:30 PM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: DesertRhino
The rifle fire on the Maidan came from a building occuppied by Right Sektor and Svoboda.

The Hotel Ukrainia to be precise, as originally reported by BBC reporters on the ground who were part of a group taking fire from there.

More video evidence is available HERE

54 posted on 01/08/2022 1:47:48 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: DesertRhino
If it was the government doing the sniping, it would have been in the open, just a plain old assault.

Another screen cap from the same video link...the trees showing bullet holes coming from the hotel were destroyed after Yanukovich was overthrown.


55 posted on 01/08/2022 1:56:25 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: cuban leaf

Even if the 022 election serves to return a bit of normalcy you’ll want to keep your ammo box handy. The new guys, whoever they are, will need a lot of reminding of what their jobs have to be——semper fi


56 posted on 01/08/2022 1:56:48 PM PST by OldWarBaby
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To: DesertRhino

“There are LOTS of republicans that would have been pleased to hold office as a democrat if they happened to live in a place like Illinois, Maryland, New York, etc.”

What amazes me is the Republican self-loathing attitude here on FR, where conservative Republicans call ourselves “the stupid party” or talk about how gullible we are for letting these RINOs fool us.

Then the Trolls come out and say we shouldn’t vote for a Republican again because they are just “assistant Democrats”.

As soon as we buy that logic, we are indeed “the stupid party”.

No, we need to accept that as conservatives, we will get lied to all the time - the Left is entirely made up of liars.

It goes with the territory that we will be the victim of liars - It’s not our fault we get fooled any more than it’s someone’s fault they are the victim of a mugging, a car-jacking, or a home invasion.

We aren’t the bad guys - in fact we have a lot to be proud of for being honest, for wanting to drain the swamp and follow the Constitution. Our parents raised us right. We see past all the gaslighting and yet we still get rolled by these shameless liars.

That’s tough - it goes with the territory - we just need to learn better self-defense and be tougher about making them pay when we catch them in a lie.

The point is we can’t quit the game just because the other side lies and cheats.

We can’t just say “that’s it - I’m never voting for a Republican again” - only trolls say that.


57 posted on 01/08/2022 2:17:33 PM PST by enumerated (I’m)
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To: pierrem15

It is proven beyond doubt that the snipers were a false flag by the opposition. Nuland told them that 100 dead are needed for the West to support ouster of Yanukovich.

You also need to update yourself on what is really happening in Kazakhstan. Domestic or foreign, the “rebels” are armed to the teeth and they started the shooting.


58 posted on 01/08/2022 3:02:41 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: mac_truck

Exactly. The story of Yanukovich ordering snipers to shoot the protestors makes no sense and long-debunked.
The coupsters ordered the documents destroyed and the trees removed from the square, but witnesses, video and photographic evidence saying that the shooting came from their side won’t disappear.


59 posted on 01/08/2022 3:10:35 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: Starboard

Exactly how do you start a political party? We need a new 2 parties. One to compete against the Dems and GOP. I’m


60 posted on 01/08/2022 3:23:58 PM PST by wgmalabama (We will find out if the Vac or virus risk was the correct choice - can we put truth above narrative)
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