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Biden's call with Putin produced predictably underwhelming results
Hot Air.com ^ | December 31, 2021 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 12/31/2021 5:31:14 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

The globalists need their war with Russia. Their persistence is one of the globalist’s strongest assets.


21 posted on 12/31/2021 6:06:12 AM PST by Kinzua (What have we allowed to happen?)
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To: Kaslin
We need more cowbell sanctions.
22 posted on 12/31/2021 6:45:59 AM PST by McGruff
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To: pepsionice

“unless the US gets really stupid.”

{sigh}


23 posted on 12/31/2021 6:51:21 AM PST by alternatives?
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To: Kaslin
Nobody in the west wants to deny Ukraine and the other former Soviet satellite states that option if they desire it …

Sure we do. Just because some corrupt sh!t-hole country wants to have the U.S. protect it from its neighbors, it doesn’t mean it’s a good idea for the U.S. to sign on to that arrangement.

24 posted on 12/31/2021 6:54:12 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("All lies and jest; still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.")
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To: Kaslin

Putin should bring back the thrilling days of yesteryear and put some missiles in Cuber again.


25 posted on 12/31/2021 7:01:09 AM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: pepsionice

I dunno. Just got thru reading David Glantz’ book “When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler”. What you notice in that book is the extent to which the Soviets shifted their efforts south (toward the Ukraine) in the winter months of 1943-5. Winter campaigns are historically pretty common in that area.

Still, I don’t see any signs of an ultimatum in anything that Putin is saying.


26 posted on 12/31/2021 7:02:52 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy

I still think privately, Stalin was more than happy to know that Hitler was taking care of Stalin’s “Jewish Problem”.


27 posted on 12/31/2021 7:04:02 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Alberta's Child; Kaslin

What is at stake in the Ukraine is Nato membership. Because with membership comes ‘standardization’ and lucrative weapons deals. If the Ukraine joins NATO, their tanks become German and their aircraft become American. This is the game that has played out all over central & eastern Europe since 1990. The Russians are belatedly drawing a line with the Ukraine & Finland.


28 posted on 12/31/2021 7:06:23 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: dfwgator

Becoming an ally with Stalin’s Soviet Union was just as bad as doing a deal over slavery in order to get a vote for Independence. We ignore the former but agonize over the latter. But that’s the way things go.


29 posted on 12/31/2021 7:11:32 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy

My proposal, is to divide Ukraine up into three parts.

Western Ukraine - Based in L’viv, the part of the Ukraine, that traditionally belonged to Austria-Hungary and Poland. Could be eligible for NATO and EU membership. Potentially also become a member of the Visegrad Group, along with Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, etc.

Ukraine - Based in Kiev, would be neutral, NATO and Russia will not be allowed to base troops there, or join any such alliance. Basically serves as a buffer state.

Eastern Ukraine (Donbass) - Free to join Russia or become aligned with Russia.


30 posted on 12/31/2021 7:11:40 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Tallguy

There is not. The media and Democrat Party, for reasons known only to themselves, has been trying to start a nuclear war between the united States and Russia. It could be to help their owners and masters, the Communists Chinese. Both, [the Democrat Party and the media] can’t wait until America is garrisoned by Communists troops. But the people love and adore both the Democrat Party. It could be because they [the media and Democrat Party] both equally hate and despise America.


31 posted on 12/31/2021 7:12:06 AM PST by sport
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To: Kaslin

AOL commie news was having orgasms.


32 posted on 12/31/2021 7:30:48 AM PST by Luke21
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To: dfwgator

I think Putin would take that deal if anybody would offer it.


33 posted on 12/31/2021 7:34:28 AM PST by Tallguy
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Putin: Vat do you say Brandon?

Biden: I say let’s go!

Putin: Let’s go where? Not to the Ukraine.

Biden: No. I say let’s go get an ice cream at Ben & Jerry! We can talk climate change.

Putin: That is for sissies... where is Cornpop? Is he your Chief of Defense? In Russia, we tattoo our body. Let me see your tattoos?

Biden: No. Cornpop is not Chief of Defense. I have General Milley who is very, very Woke, CRT and LGBT orientated. He doesn’t have tattoos... I don’t think.

Putin: So he is BLT — Bacon, Tomato Lettuce guy?

Biden: No. LGBT — Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans.

Putin: I thought LGBT means a Lets Go Brandon Trainer. You know, a person who advices the President. Somebody who is woke at all hours thinking what to say to the president to fix up the mess.

Biden: Mess? We have a great economy, the best ever for a first term, sitting president. Our borders are secure, inflation is low, gas is cheap, the lowest crime rate ever, people demanding mandatory vaccines and booster shots, and a successful withdrawal from Afghanistan. What more can you say!

Putin: Sitting?

Biden: Yes, I’m a sitting president.

Putin: Sitting in for whom?

Biden: ... Err...

Putin: Well get up! Let’s Go Brandon!

Biden: Yes, let’s go!


34 posted on 12/31/2021 7:39:35 AM PST by BEJ
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To: kabar

Excellent read! Bookmark!


35 posted on 12/31/2021 7:58:29 AM PST by JadeEmperor ( )
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To: servantboy777

“...is another multi-trillion dollar war. ..”

1. The Dems would welcome a war right now which, they think, would keep them in power.

2, Has there ever been a war that didn’t start under a Democratic administration??


36 posted on 12/31/2021 8:19:03 AM PST by elpadre ( ying them.)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t care if Russia invades Ukraine. Not even a little. It’s none of our business. No direct threat to the US.

We’re 20 TRILLION in debt. No more endless wars!!!

The Military-Industrial Complex desperately needs the US to spend ammo, missiles, bombs, planes, spare parts, etc. Because that’s how they test their latest gadgets and get more $$$.

Military leaders and Congress critters kake tons of cash when they get their board seats on Ratheon etc., after back8ng Endless Wars. It a system, a racket.

Nobody advocating for Endless Wars sends their kids. YOUR kids get their legs blown off. Not theirs.

Don’t fall for it. Again.


37 posted on 12/31/2021 8:22:36 AM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Convention Of States is our only hope now! Desantis 2024!!!)
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To: Vermont Lt

“Russia is not a superpower anymore.”

While Russia is not a superpower they are ranked #11 in the world in GDP. More importantly, they have the world’s largest military force and the world’s second most powerful air force and naval fleet.

Of course, I’m sure you know they have the world’s largest nuclear warhead arsenal and the means to deliver them. Don’t forget, we paid Russia big bucks to send our astronauts into space for years because we couldn’t do it ourselves.

I’m sure you understand they could destroy our country in less than an hour if it came to that. It is true that they would likely be destroyed in the process but with the largest landmass in the world, they would likely recover before we would.

So, you demean their capability at your own risk. Actually, our own risk.


38 posted on 12/31/2021 8:26:13 AM PST by icclearly
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To: servantboy777

“Ukraine is a European problem, not an American problem.”

Exactly. Let Germany send their kids to die.

Socialism can affored either guns or butter, but not both. European socialism is propped up by the US taking care of the guns. Pull out, and it will collapse. Which it should.

The US enables socialism. So tiny little men here can beat their chests and play army men with each other in the Senate. But never sending their own kids to the front lines.


39 posted on 12/31/2021 8:26:44 AM PST by Basket_of_Deplorables (Convention Of States is our only hope now! Desantis 2024!!!)
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To: Kaslin
INMHO, if war with Russia breaks out in Eastern Europe history will lay the blame squarely at the feet of the U.S. Particularly against the Bush and Clinton families.

Russia could have been a valued partner regardless of the history of Putin. I have two reasons both which entail the U.S. government dancing a public jig on the grave of the USSR. Acts sure to sting a proud people and guarantee an atmosphere of mistrust.

Talented diplomacy and leadership would not have done these things.

1). THE EXPANSION OF NATO INTO THE EASTERN BLOCK.
It was unnecessary, it was belligerent, especially in the face of the disbanding of the Warsaw Pact. It proved that the hardliners in Moscow had a valid point.

2) GW’s WAR ON TERROR.
Russia soon after 9/11 experienced terrorist attacks in their southern border regions. Most notable was the attack on and ultimately the killing of an entire Kindergarten class. GW had publicly announced that all terror groups/activities were to be opposed and attacked. Yet when Russia turned to us for assistance in their terrorist problems we flat out refused them and classified the the terrorists as freedom fighters.
“THE WAR ON TERROR FOR ME BUT NOT FOR THEE”.
Again, the Moscow hardliners were proven right.

In addition to the above consider our support for the Ukraine. There is much history in this issue. Most of it bad. However one point must ALWAYS be considered with regards to Russia.
The Ukraine is the door to the Crimea and the Crimea is the home to Sevastopol.
Sevastopol is home port to the Black Sea Fleet. The only warm water port and fleet they have.

Make NO mistake, Russia would no more give up their Black Sea Fleet at Sevastopol than we would give up our Pacific Fleet at Hawaii. To even entertain such thoughts gives support to the Moscow hardliners.

Putin might well be KGB, but he is also without question a Russian patriot and U.S. policies have been running right into that patriotism and making it unforgiving.

Flame on.

40 posted on 12/31/2021 8:28:15 AM PST by M.K. Borders (All I require of my government is the liberty my Grandfathers were born to.)
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