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To: DoodleDawg
The Constitution protects us from the government, not us from other people. The beauty of the Texas law is that it isn't government who is restricting abortion but the fear of civil suits from people not connected with the government. Abortion providers stop providing abortions because they are afraid of being sued, and there is nothing unconstitutional in that. The Supreme Court is having a problem finding the grounds to strike the law down for those reasons.

And the Supreme Court is absolutely right.

However, Gavin Newsome (and you, by implication) attempt to conflate it to the issue of firearms rights.

The left has already attempted, numerous times and since the 1980's, to sue manufacturers of firearms and ammunition into oblivion. None of the lawsuits were successful, and it became such a nuisance that explicit laws were written to prevent such lawsuits.

As to your assertion that this tactic will be used in other leftist causes.... fine. Not seeing how it changes the playing field at all. This is the present state of affairs anyways, anyone may sue about anything. I am very much for the adoption of 'Loser Pays' legislation about civil lawsuits, which would greatly lessen the nuisance lawsuits out there.

Both Newsome and you have only restated the current state of legal affairs, providing no evidence of new vulnerabilities or legal tactics whatsoever.

In the case of Newsome, he is merely counting on the low-intelligence-level of Californians to not realize that his comments are meaningless. In your case, however, you cannot rely on the low-intelligence-level of Freepers in your attempt to troll us. :^)

28 posted on 12/12/2021 4:47:44 AM PST by Lazamataz (I feel like it is 1937 Germany, and my last name is Feinberg.)
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To: Lazamataz

Laz,

Loser pays would be a disaster for justice. Loser pays just means deeper pockets wins.


37 posted on 12/12/2021 5:22:43 AM PST by Jagermonster ("God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him." 1 John 4:16, NKJV.)
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To: Lazamataz
However, Gavin Newsome (and you, by implication) attempt to conflate it to the issue of firearms rights.

As I said.

The left has already attempted, numerous times and since the 1980's, to sue manufacturers of firearms and ammunition into oblivion. None of the lawsuits were successful, and it became such a nuisance that explicit laws were written to prevent such lawsuits.

True. People tried suing abortion providers and failed, too. But the purpose of this law, like the Texas law, is to open a floodgate of suits from anyone who feels they were impacted, however remotely, by the sale of the gun. Faced with hundreds, potentially thousands, of lawsuits may make sellers and manufacturers feel that the California market isn't worth the hassle. That's the whole point.

Now if Newsom's law does pass and if it does result in hundreds of lawsuits and if they all go to court then I expect that they would face the same fate as the Texas abortion lawsuits will - summarily dismissed due to lack of standing. But in the mean time the gun manufacturers will be spending thousands and thousands of dollars defending themselves.

As to your assertion that this tactic will be used in other leftist causes.... fine. Not seeing how it changes the playing field at all.

Depends on whether you're on the receiving end or not. Say, as I said, New York passes a law that says that sexual harassment against one woman is sexual harassment against all. Suddenly thousands of suits are filed against Trump and Cuomo and they're forced to spend a fortune defending themselves. What kind of damage could that due to future plans?

Both Newsome and you have only restated the current state of legal affairs, providing no evidence of new vulnerabilities or legal tactics whatsoever.

Sit back and watch then.

In your case, however, you cannot rely on the low-intelligence-level of Freepers in your attempt to troll us. :^)

Apparently worked on you.

57 posted on 12/12/2021 6:15:56 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Lazamataz
This is the present state of affairs anyways, anyone may sue about anything. I am very much for the adoption of 'Loser Pays' legislation about civil lawsuits

The 'Loser pays' part is what's missing from the Texas law. When liberals adopt this tactic, they will use it to bankrupt conservatives.

98 posted on 12/12/2021 8:18:16 AM PST by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: Lazamataz

Good points.


99 posted on 12/12/2021 8:28:11 AM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: Lazamataz; DoodleDawg

I am probably not going to follow your discussion in full, however, I am very interested in doing so. I think that a huge, complete debate about this issue is in order.

As soon as I noticed what was in the Texas law, my eyebrows were raised. It appeared to me that there might a major flaw that might lurk within it. The two of you, and Newsome, have pointed out where that might lie.

I hope that Texas is able to eventually get the intent of this law fully on the books. I am a bit concerned about the full mechanism of the law as written.

May the debate continue and prosper in intellectual prowess...


146 posted on 12/13/2021 4:27:36 PM PST by AFPhys ((Liberalism is what Smart looks like to Stupid people - ® - Mia of KC. Rush - 1:50-8/21/15))
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