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Parents of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley, 15, weep in court after being found hiding in a Detroit art studio less than a mile from the Canadian border: Couple plead not guilty and insist gun used by their son was locked
Daily Mail ^ | 12/4/2021 | Shawn Cohen and Adriana Diaz

Posted on 12/04/2021 7:06:09 AM PST by tarpit

The fugitive parents of accused Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley broke down in court Saturday morning as their charges were read aloud.

James, 45, and Jennifer, 43, Crumbley were captured early Saturday in the basement of a building on the 1100 block of Bellevue Street in Detroit, less than half a mile from the Canadian border, police confirmed.

They were taken into custody after leading authorities on a large-scale manhunt.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: artstudio; belleviewstreet; detroit; ethancrumbley; hideout; jamescrumbley; jennifercrumbley; michigan; oxfordhigh
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To: DuncanWaring

Nothing like influencing a potential jury before the trial.


41 posted on 12/04/2021 7:42:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: bigdaddy45

Anyone today who thinks you can successfully evade an intensive law enforcement manhunt is a nut job, unless you have escape and evasion training, are in excellent shape, have lots of currency on hand, and, preferably, other people who are willing to help you


42 posted on 12/04/2021 7:43:39 AM PST by j.havenfarm (20 years on Free Republic, 12/10/20! More than 3700 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: DuncanWaring

Does anyone know what medications they have been giving the young lad over the years! Time Big Pharma start paying their dues for the obvious. Had a grandson that did pills in a black bottle, and side effects were irrational behaviour, suicide...(and I could add mass murders!) Hasn’t many of the most recent gun incidents been involved with people who had been really heavily dosed up?


43 posted on 12/04/2021 7:44:06 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: mewzilla
IIRC the parents left the school, the shooting occurred, then the parents found the gun missing (taken from a locked nightstand). The mother sent the text and the father called the school to say the kid might have the gun (but it was too late).

As somebody else said, the warning signs were not missed... they were ignored. The school should have demanded Ethan leave the school that moment.

The father apparently had 3 kids, each with different women. The mother of the older boy said he was a piece of sh*t and a deadbeat dad. But at the same time, the older son had lived with them until he had issues with the mom. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10273949/Ex-girlfriend-fugitive-father-Michigan-shooter-Ethan-Crumbley-slams-dad-wife.html

44 posted on 12/04/2021 7:44:15 AM PST by tarpit
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To: DivineMomentsOfTruth

I am generally no fan of school administrations, but if the news is correct, the school discovered that the student had drawn a violent picture, showing a gun, people being shot, and homicidal/suicidal wording. This was nothing like the “my daddy the soldier” pictures students draw that flip out leftist school teachers. The school had the student and the parents together in a conference about it. It sounds like the school acted responsibly but the parents did not, if this is remotely accurate.


45 posted on 12/04/2021 7:44:23 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: ealgeone

So is the Prosecutor.....rather than communicate with the police she pulled a stunt by holding a press conference instead without notification.....feed her story directly to the media so they would run with it. She’s looking for fame.


46 posted on 12/04/2021 7:44:45 AM PST by caww ( )
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To: David Chase

So if they wanted to be “free at last” they would have had to drive past Martin Luther King High School and Martin Luther King Apartments.

;-)


47 posted on 12/04/2021 7:44:55 AM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Jonty30

These parents have prior criminal records. They were so stupid as to allow their mentally ill son access to weapons.They purchased the gun as a gift to their son, yet registered it under the fathers name. Responsible parents would have the weapons locked up, and only used under supervision until the child becomes an adult. As a parent, you are responsible for your children’s actions either civilly or criminally if you provide a gun to a child, knowing that child is having mental issues. It is the same thing that went on with another school shooter, whose mother provided him with a gun , he wound up killing her before his shooting rampage at school.
I hope they get thrown in jail for a long time. Parents like these put a stain on responsible gun owners.


48 posted on 12/04/2021 7:45:54 AM PST by kaila
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To: tarpit; All

As far as I can tell these parents committed no crime.

I challenge all to come up with one.

The Soros funded progressive prosecutor and anti 2nd Amendment zealot Karen Mcdonald seemed to have little trouble imagining a crime...how about you?


49 posted on 12/04/2021 7:46:08 AM PST by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: mewzilla

Actually there are no conditions in their state for how a gun is stored.


50 posted on 12/04/2021 7:46:10 AM PST by caww ( )
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To: tarpit

That’s a good point. The student should have been made to leave the school when the violent drawing was discovered. Figure out what to do with him later but first things first, get him away from school. I didn’t know that the parents said the gun was locked up and Ethan must have stolen it. That puts a bit if a new wrinkle on things.


51 posted on 12/04/2021 7:48:03 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: bigdaddy45

“These parents sound like Grade A nut jobs.”

The progressive left (inclusive of media) desperately wants universal “safe storage” laws akin to California.

It’s a mission for them.


52 posted on 12/04/2021 7:48:25 AM PST by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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To: Jonty30

They BOUGHT the pistol for their 15 year old son. How is this not computing?


53 posted on 12/04/2021 7:48:52 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: Regulator

“Does Steve Binger work for the Oakland DA’s office now?”

There’s a “Binger type” in every DA’s office in America regardless of location. Urban or Rural the “Binger type” always finds a job.
Conservatives who want draconian sentencing for everything, better wake up.

The law system is full of liberals.


54 posted on 12/04/2021 7:48:54 AM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: Buttons12

Biometric locks.


55 posted on 12/04/2021 7:50:04 AM PST by DownInFlames (P)
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To: marktwain; mewzilla
-- I don't believe that is the law in Michigan. --

You are correct. There is no gun storage statute in Michigan.

The charges here are involuntary manslaughter, which in turn invokes criminal negligence. This is a step beyond ordinary negligence, and I don't know the rough contours of this in Michigan law.

In civil liability, punitive damages (as close to criminal as civil law ever gets) uses the phrase callous and wanton disregard for the consequences.

It's not possible to pass laws that cover every possible way humans err and society wants to exact a pound of flesh, so for the most part this sort of calculus is left to the jury after hearing arguments from both sides. In all negligence, the consequences must be reasonably foreseeable to the person with a duty to act or forebear.

I think in most youth commits murder cases, the DA skips criminal charges because the family is ruined civilly and mentally. But, some DA like to pile on, and I'm sure each of us could hypothesize circumstances where the parent was criminally negligent.

56 posted on 12/04/2021 7:50:09 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: tarpit
Less than a mile from the Canadian border? Does the Daily Mail understand that much of Michigan is less than a mile from the Canadian border?
57 posted on 12/04/2021 7:51:19 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Balloting)
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To: napscoordinator

You forgot the sarcasm tag.


58 posted on 12/04/2021 7:51:58 AM PST by cyclotic (I won't give up my FREEDOM for your FEAR)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

It’s a combination of risk aversion and the misplaced notion that if only we had the right laws, this sort of loss would be reduced. “Legal arrogance.”

Society by and large accepts, expects, some combination of thoise, to be “better protected.” Nobody wants a bad thing to happen, certainly not to themself, and if that does occur, very strong “find somebody to blame” comes out.

Risk aversion and fear drive the COVID fiasco. The public laps it up - at least until the novelty wears off.


59 posted on 12/04/2021 7:54:00 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Windcatcher

Criminal negligence that results in death is, by Michigan statutory defintion, involuntary manslaughter.

Most often applied in DUI deaths.


60 posted on 12/04/2021 7:56:10 AM PST by Cboldt
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