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Alec Baldwin: What are prop guns and why are they dangerous?
BBC ^ | 10/22/21 | Staff

Posted on 10/22/2021 8:18:46 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen

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To: fruser1
No,they’ll be finding a way to blame Trump.
21 posted on 10/22/2021 8:37:11 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Balloting)
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To: MayflowerMadam

I hope Stephen can help him.

I don’t like his politics, but he is a human being and I feel very bad for him.

He must be going through Hell.


22 posted on 10/22/2021 8:38:25 AM PDT by proud American in Canada ("Fear is a reaction; Courage is a decision." Winston Churchill)
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To: Lazamataz
Didn’t Bruce Lee’s son die that way?

Yes, and a lot of info about how this could happen is included in the wiki "Death" section. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee

23 posted on 10/22/2021 8:38:26 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: allendale

This wouldn’t have happened in a John Wayne western. No movie he was in would have had him shoot a woman or hold her at gunpoint.

Hollywood and their deviant immoral movies is the root cause.


24 posted on 10/22/2021 8:39:43 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: allendale

This wouldn’t have happened in a John Wayne western. No movie he was in would have had him shoot a woman or hold her at gunpoint.

Hollywood and their deviant immoral movies is the root cause.


25 posted on 10/22/2021 8:39:50 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Just a little info about movie sets when firearms are called for. The actor has nothing to do with loading or checking the weapon, unless that is called for in the script. The firearms are kept, cleaned, checked and loaded by the prop master or firearms expert on set. Then the firearm is handed to the actor by the prop master or firearms expert before the scene is shot. After the scene the PM or FE immediately takes control of the firearm. There is a strict chain of command when firearms are called for in the script.

The real question that needs to be answered here is did Baldwin fire the weapon while filming a scripted scene, rehearsing a scripted scene, or did he get careless and accidentally or purposely point it at the victims? If it’s one of the first two, the responsibility lies with the PM or FE. The other options point to Baldwin being at fault. The facts will come out.


26 posted on 10/22/2021 8:40:21 AM PDT by Kharis13
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To: Seruzawa
Alec Baldwin, who knows everything,...

"Thank God for celebrities, they know everything" - Homer Simpson

27 posted on 10/22/2021 8:40:44 AM PDT by newfreep (“Leftism, under all of its brand names, is a severe, violent & evil mental disorder.”)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
In a movie you point the gun at the opposing actor...not Innocent people on the set....I think it is entirely possible he was joking around on the set.
28 posted on 10/22/2021 8:40:55 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Seruzawa

I recall watching an episode of a talk show hosted by Arlene Bynon up here in the Great White North in which he appeared. This was about 2000 and one little remark he made was about how George W Bush made carrying concealed handguns legal in Texas as part of his little American liberal schtick to us Canadians about how really scary GWB was.

One could easily counter him by saying at that time, most US states that immediately border Canada already permitted law abiding citizens to obtain concealed carry permits for handguns and one (Vermont) never ever required such permits for open or concealed carry. And that these states exhibited homicide rates lower than the US national average and were often not dissimilar from the neighbouring Canadian province(s). I can just imagine how someone like that would either brush you off or if pushed, get that very nasty or personal (a la Piers Morgan) when challenged with the above facts.


29 posted on 10/22/2021 8:42:02 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966 )
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Very funny movie!

(from the people behind South Park; I think it’s called Team America: World Police, or something like that. Love the opening scene where the Americans are taking down a terrorist and destroy the Eiffel Tower).


30 posted on 10/22/2021 8:42:20 AM PDT by proud American in Canada ("Fear is a reaction; Courage is a decision." Winston Churchill)
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To: spincaster

Who knows at this point, but it could simply be because that’s what the scene called for him to do, point at the camera and fire. It’s a common scene in movies. I guess the same could be said for an on set rehearsal.

FReegards


31 posted on 10/22/2021 8:42:26 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Kid Shelleen

Actor Alec Baldwin is facing criticism for a 2017 tweet he posted in which he questions “how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone.”

On Thursday, Baldwin, 63, was at the center of a Hollywood tragedy that unfolded on the set of the movie “Rust.” Authorities said that Baldwin fired a prop gun on a movie set that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. Director Joel Souza was identified as the crew member taken to the hospital. He has since been released, “Rust” star Frances Fisher claimed on Twitter.

Twitter users are now zeroing in on Baldwin’s past social media activity and one glaring tweet he posted on Sept. 22, 2017 reads: “I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone...” The tweet also included a link to a Los Angeles Times article about a Huntington Beach police officer who was captured on video struggling with a suspect in a parking lot of a convenience store before shooting the man several times, killing him.

“this did not age well,” one Twitter user wrote on the thread of Baldwin’s tweet


32 posted on 10/22/2021 8:42:49 AM PDT by The MAGA-Deplorian (Democrats are lawless because Republicans are ball-less!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

First rule. Don’t point at anything you don’t intend to shoot. Prop gun or not.


33 posted on 10/22/2021 8:44:00 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (I do not recognize Biden’s authority. Or Fauci’s.)
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To: newfreep

LOL!

The Simpsons are always dead-on right.

Poor choice of words. I apologize.


34 posted on 10/22/2021 8:45:31 AM PDT by proud American in Canada ("Fear is a reaction; Courage is a decision." Winston Churchill)
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To: ontap

What you post is true, but not always. I also suspect it might have been horseplay. But there are situations where you aim at the camera, or nearly so. That might have been the case here.


35 posted on 10/22/2021 8:46:52 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: spincaster

“I want to know why he was aiming a prop gun at the director and camera person?”

True, it must not have happened while filming a scene.


36 posted on 10/22/2021 8:47:37 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: Kharis13

Good article quoting industry “experts”
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/22/1048295916/props-gun-death-injuries-rust-movie-set-rare

For prop masters, safety is supposed to come first
Prop masters are in charge of a production’s props before, during and shortly after filming. Along with armorers — the crew members who work with the guns on set — and stunt coordinators, prop masters coordinate with actors, producers and the director during filming.

“When I’m doing a training session with a performer, my main guideline, the heartbeat of the conversation, is to make sure that they are treating any weapon — whether it’s a bladed weapon or a firearm — as if it could potentially kill somebody. And those are usually the words I use,” said UCLA’s Williams. “It’s a serious situation and everyone’s got to be on their game.”

Hollywood adheres to Safety Bulletins, written and distributed by the Industry-Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee, for standards on weapon and prop safety, as well as other rules.

In the first bulletin addressing firearms and the use of blank ammunition, the document notes prominently: “TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS THOUGH THEY ARE LOADED.” It goes on to say live ammunition is to never be used nor brought onto a set.

However, these are recommendations and not binding law.

“There are a lot of working pieces when it comes to firing guns on set,” said Karl Weschta, the vice president of weapons for Independent Studio Services in Los Angeles. ISS provides props and weapons for television and movie productions.

In addition to safety lessons and practice sessions, actors are told to keep a safe distance from other crew members when handling a prop gun. Filmmakers often use movie magic so it looks like an actor is pointing a gun directly at another character — when they’re actually pointing the weapon at an angle or off-center.

“It’s really rare when a gun is actually directly pointed at someone,” Weschta said.

Those weapons also are usually empty or loaded with blank cartridges. But a blank cartridge shot at close range can still cause serious damage.

In the case of Hexum’s death, a gun loaded with a blank cartridge and shot at close range caused enough damage to kill the young actor.

Hexum was struck in the right temple by a blank charge from the prop gun he was handling. The force of the bullet fractured his skull, according to a New York Times report from the time of the incident. This caused serious brain hemorrhaging and irreversible damage.


37 posted on 10/22/2021 8:48:33 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (Let's make crime illegal again!)
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To: newfreep

38 posted on 10/22/2021 8:48:56 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: fruser1

And I thought the Liberal/Commie/POS were Anti 2A and Anti firearms?

Maybe if he’d taken a few NRA classes, the photographer would still be alive.

Henceforth:Murderer and complete asswipe, Alec Baldwin.

Hey Jerk, the firearm is ALWAYS loaded. NRA Lesson #1 Alec.


39 posted on 10/22/2021 8:49:40 AM PDT by Gillny
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To: Kid Shelleen

I find it hard to believe this was a prop gun. This had to be a real gun that fired a real bullet. While a prop gun can kill at close range, no way could a blank fire wadding through one person and into another.


40 posted on 10/22/2021 8:51:15 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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