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To: jonrick46

“I am actually for the true information given to the American people about all aspects of the virus and vaccines.”

Me too, but who’s telling the truth, and how can we be sure?

“The truth should convince Americans that the vaccines are the way to go.”

This was supposed to work for ‘the flu shot’ as well. Nonetheless, many still say, “No, thank you.”
Stats on how many ‘flu shot’ recipients succumb to the flu might be of interest.

“...people against the American people want America to go down from the plague.”

That’s silly; your Fauci-esque hyperbole is showing.
America’s not going to “go down from the plague”; never was in that danger. This is NOTHING like smallpox, or polio, and warrants NOWHERE NEAR the same intensity of a response.

“The only way to defeat these subversives is to mandate the vaccines.”

Perhaps it has escaped your notice, but the push toward mandates has been a PRIMARY generator of “these subversives.” You and everyone else in your Kampfgruppe would have been FAR better off going the laissez-faire route, and being content with whatever individuals might choose. The number of takers would be somewhat fewer, but the opposition wouldn’t have hardened, and the social damage would be zero. It’s THAT that’s going to cook the goose in the longer run. Obviously Ol’ ‘Resident Joe never learned “You get more flies with honey.” Neither have you.

Frankly, I was neither here nor there, and still thinking I might go get this thing done, when Two-scoops Joe announced his mandate. That galvanized me; I became a HARD “NO!” instantly. No choice. No compliance. PERIOD.

LET’S GO BRANDON!

This is not a smallpox-level thing; this WuFlu isn’t claiming 30% of those who catch it across all demographics. There is ZERO national-level basis for mandates, and CERTAINLY not mandates disallowing exceptions.

But, riddle me this: if I start putting grains of sand on my tabletop one at a time, how many grains before I have a “pile”? How many more before I have a “heap”? A “mound”? A “hill”?

When Jacobsen was decided by SCOTUS in 1905 The Court ruling threw the door open for GENERAL vaccination mandates WITHOUT religious exception. But the predicate for the case was mandatory vaccination for smallpox. Not mumps, or measles. The Court — I think rightly — saw a 30% killer and said it was reasonable to derogate the right to freedom of religion to safeguard society from that threat. But, in writing the decision, they failed to focus the ruling narrowly on vaccination against smallpox, so a good verdict became a bad one; a ruling in favor of squelching non-derogable religious freedom to stop a 30% killer became a ruling in favor of squelching non-derogable religious freedom to stop even the most stupidly innocuous of things, like chickenpox. Then, to cover up the overreach by making it seem warranted, chickenpox has been recast as a Really Fearsome Thing™.

The Court failed to acknowledge the difference between a “pile” and a “hill,” thus backhandedly ruling that non-derogable religious freedom can be squelched for anything; I’m surprised the flu shot hasn’t been tossed into the cauldron, yet.

FFWD a century, and NOW we have vaccines with ties to abortion; involving the use of cell lines arising out of abortion, as do all the US-available COVID jabs, and these things are HARD STOPS for persons of religious faiths that esteem the unborn as individual human persons — body, soul, and spirit — right from conception. This wasn’t a factor when Jacobsen was decided; we could yield to that overbroad ruling in 1905, because genuinely insurmountable moral objections didn’t exist.

NOW they exist.

The 1905 metric was that a 30% fatality rate warranted suborning freedom of religion to the national health. What is the metric in 2021, now that there are impassable religious obstacles for the faithful? It’d have to be FAR, FAR MORE than 30%, and COVID just IS NOT that. Not even close.


34 posted on 10/18/2021 2:51:04 AM PDT by HKMk23 (The right of freedom of religion shall not be derogated even if the life of the nation is at stake.)
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To: HKMk23
"When Jacobsen was decided by SCOTUS in 1905 The Court ruling threw the door open for GENERAL vaccination mandates WITHOUT religious exception. But the predicate for the case was mandatory vaccination for smallpox. Not mumps, or measles. The Court — I think rightly — saw a 30% killer and said it was reasonable to derogate the right to freedom of religion to safeguard society from that threat. But, in writing the decision, they failed to focus the ruling narrowly on vaccination against smallpox, so a good verdict became a bad one; a ruling in favor of squelching non-derogable religious freedom to stop a 30% killer became a ruling in favor of squelching non-derogable religious freedom to stop even the most stupidly innocuous of things, like chickenpox."

Perhaps to be somewhat consistent in preventing deaths via interaction, relative to the risk of transmission to the vulnerable who chose to engage in interaction with others, mask wearing and vaccination among the public for a virus with a overall worldwide morality rate of 0.05% should be as voluntary as condom use among males who "interact" sexually with each other. Seeing as after 40 years of trying to curtail the primary means of HIV transmission among males, while only approximately 7% of adult and adolescent males reported having had male-to-male sexual contact at some point in their lives, yet 82% of HIV infections among males in 2018 were attributed to male-to-male sexual contact. (P. 7) 

Young gay and bisexual men accounted for 83% (6,385) of all new HIV diagnoses in people aged 13 to 24 in 2019, and 81% of diagnoses overall of HIV infection among Adolescents and Young Adults and 92% of HIV infections among men aged 13 to 24 was attributed to male-to-male sexual contact:

More.

35 posted on 10/18/2021 3:12:59 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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