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To: rlmorel
That in turn enabled the founding of a new nation, unlike any other—one based on the revolutionary idea that people’s life, liberty and pursuit of happiness were inviolable because those rights came from God and not man or the state.

I've read something like this: somewhere...

33 posted on 10/12/2021 4:48:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

No, I didn’t follow that thread...I did laugh...I went back and took a look, and I am familiar with that study which I have been interested in previously...it is illuminating.

Medicine is different, though. The point I was making is medicine is highly regimented and regulated for a reason, to prevent harm. It has to be. If something goes wrong and a patient is harmed, one of the very first questions is: Did you follow the protocols and procedures?

If the answer is no...you better have a really, really good reason for why you deviated.

When I was in the US Navy, I worked for the better part of four years on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier.

As a young 18 year old guy, I remember vividly one of my superiors, a Chief Petty Officer in charge of our “Line Division”, which is where all the new guys go and become “Plane Captains” which is like being the gas station attendant for the plane...you strap the pilot in, clean the windshield, make sure the oil and hydraulic levels are correct, that kind of thing. It gets you oriented to whole plane before you move onto your specialty, which in my case, was the jet engine.

Anyway, this Chief had all of us sitting there on our first day out at sea after leaving Norfolk, and he said something like this:

“I need to say something which I want you to listen carefully to and commit to. We are going to train you how to do tasks in very specific ways. Some of these jobs are going to seem rather useless, and some will be inefficient. All of you are smart enough, and there will come a time where you will look at a job we have trained you to do, and think you have a better, easier, more efficient way of doing it. DO NOT DO IT. Do not deviate from your training. The flight deck of an aircraft carrier is an extremely dangerous place. Those rules you have been taught, those tasks you have been trained in were learned in blood. People have been injured and died, and many of those tasks that you see as inefficient are set up that way because something bad happened, a plane crashed, or someone was injured or killed. Stick to your training, and stick to it exactly as you were taught.”

The point is, in medicine, it is the same. Almost every process and procedure has been put in place to prevent a bad outcome, or been put in place BECAUSE of a bad outcome. It isn’t just people blindly following orders. And this is ingrained at all levels of medicine, from top to bottom. Everything from the process to slide a patient from a bed to a gurney, to having your hands inside a patient stitching up their internal organs has techniques, processes, and procedures that must be followed, and like working on a flight deck, many of those were learned in blood. They hammer home the rigidity and inflexibility of these, because they do not want people freelancing, and it is burned in.

That is why I opined that in the medical community, it is possible these things might get kicked further and further up the chain. With respect to this particular aspect (Informed Consent) I assure you, NOBODY wants to perform ANY kind of procedure and end up being in violation of Informed Consent processes and procedures, because that is just asking for fines, disciplinary action, the whole nine yards.

The Left, in their Alinskyite clothing, all too willingly want to use our own rules against us. This is something I have no problem with using against their tyranny, but I don’t want to portray medical personnel as willing to kill people just to follow orders from above. I suggest we use their desire to follow orders from above to PREVENT them from causing us harm...:)


40 posted on 10/12/2021 5:47:02 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists are The Droplet of Sewage in a gallon of ultra-pure clean water.)
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