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To: TwelveOfTwenty
No, because they said it was at least in part about slavery, and they held on to their slaves until forced to release them.

Yet even the original 7 seceding states turned down slavery forever by express constitutional amendment. The later 5 seceding states only left once Lincoln chose to start a war. Neither side freed its slaves until after the war.

Lincoln had nothing to offer because with few exceptions the Northern states wouldn't ratify it even knowing the alternative. It was Lucy with the football. Unlike you, the South didn't keep kicking away at nothing.

Au Contraire. It was a very legitimate offer. It passed the Northern dominated Congress with the necessary supermajority. In all likelihood the Northern states would have ratified what their elected representatives and senators in Congress voted for.

If you're referring to what I think you're referring to then it was a result of the fire fight. I'll let you fill in the details first.

The first person John Brown and his band of terrorists murdered was a Free Black man.

I won't argue about whether it was the right way to go about this, but taking slaves was the real act of war.

The ones who took slaves were the Yankee Slave Traders.

You have expressed your disgust with the South's stance on slavery in words that left me with no doubt about your sincerity on the issue. If you had lived in the Confederacy and expressed those views, you would have been seen as an abolitionist, and you would have been assaulted or lynched.

There were well known abolitionists in the South. Lee was one of them. Dickens who was a well known abolitionists spoke publicly and quite freely on the issue while touring the South.

So let's see, they didn't elect abolitionists even though they elected representatives who would abolish the original constitution preventing abolition. Got it, thanks for clearing that up.

No, the original constitution prevented Black people from living in that state. Not slaves, Black people. Yes, including free ones.

There was nothing above but what you were repeating.

Abolitionists could not win elections in the North pre war.

Black Confederates: Truth and Legend

As already discussed, this "source" is a joke. I've already provided enough quotes to show some of its key claims were false.

Define plenty.

According to the quotes and sources I've posted, thousands.

and I should add repeat, the only reason the Northern states did not ratify the Corwin Amendment was because the original 7 seceding states had already rejected it. It was by the time they could have ratified it, a moot point. Fixed.

What did you change?

622 posted on 11/10/2021 5:46:33 PM PST by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird
The later 5 seceding states only left once Lincoln chose to start a war. Neither side freed its slaves until after the war.

The 13th Amendment was passed in Congress before the war ended by the will of the voters, but it wasn't ratified until after the war.

It passed the Northern dominated Congress with the necessary supermajority. In all likelihood the Northern states would have ratified what their elected representatives and senators in Congress voted for.

There you go with the "would have" again. They didn't, and that's all that counts.

The first person John Brown and his band of terrorists murdered was a Free Black man.

Name? I suspect he was killed in the cross fire.

The ones who took slaves were the Yankee Slave Traders.

I don't excuse human traffickers in any form or from any area, but it's the buyers who create the market. Without the buyers there would be no human trafficking, and I apply that to today's buyers as well.

There were well known abolitionists in the South. Lee was one of them.

Lee opposed slavery but didn't think the time was right to end it.

Dickens who was a well known abolitionists spoke publicly and quite freely on the issue while touring the South.

He toured the US twice, in 1842 and after the CW. In 1842 he made some stops in the South and was so sickened by slavery that he cancelled his tour in the South. Here's more.

Charles Dickens, America, & The Civil War

No, the original constitution prevented Black people from living in that state.

That was the constitution the voters in Kansas voted to replace in 1858.

Abolitionists could not win elections in the North pre war.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

As already discussed, this "source" is a joke. I've already provided enough quotes to show some of its key claims were false.

You've provided anecdotal accounts. I accept those eyewitness accounts as valid, but it wasn't on the scale that escaped and served in the North.

According to the quotes and sources I've posted, thousands.

More than the over 100,000 that escaped to the North and enlisted in the Union Army and Navy?

What did you change?

I'll give you a hint. "Strike One!"

625 posted on 11/12/2021 3:49:45 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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