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To: FLT-bird
The later 5 seceding states only left once Lincoln chose to start a war. Neither side freed its slaves until after the war.

The 13th Amendment was passed in Congress before the war ended by the will of the voters, but it wasn't ratified until after the war.

It passed the Northern dominated Congress with the necessary supermajority. In all likelihood the Northern states would have ratified what their elected representatives and senators in Congress voted for.

There you go with the "would have" again. They didn't, and that's all that counts.

The first person John Brown and his band of terrorists murdered was a Free Black man.

Name? I suspect he was killed in the cross fire.

The ones who took slaves were the Yankee Slave Traders.

I don't excuse human traffickers in any form or from any area, but it's the buyers who create the market. Without the buyers there would be no human trafficking, and I apply that to today's buyers as well.

There were well known abolitionists in the South. Lee was one of them.

Lee opposed slavery but didn't think the time was right to end it.

Dickens who was a well known abolitionists spoke publicly and quite freely on the issue while touring the South.

He toured the US twice, in 1842 and after the CW. In 1842 he made some stops in the South and was so sickened by slavery that he cancelled his tour in the South. Here's more.

Charles Dickens, America, & The Civil War

No, the original constitution prevented Black people from living in that state.

That was the constitution the voters in Kansas voted to replace in 1858.

Abolitionists could not win elections in the North pre war.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

As already discussed, this "source" is a joke. I've already provided enough quotes to show some of its key claims were false.

You've provided anecdotal accounts. I accept those eyewitness accounts as valid, but it wasn't on the scale that escaped and served in the North.

According to the quotes and sources I've posted, thousands.

More than the over 100,000 that escaped to the North and enlisted in the Union Army and Navy?

What did you change?

I'll give you a hint. "Strike One!"

625 posted on 11/12/2021 3:49:45 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
The 13th Amendment was passed in Congress before the war ended by the will of the voters, but it wasn't ratified until after the war.

Yes and the latter 5 seceding states did not secede until Lincoln chose to start a war.....ie they obviously were not seceding over slavery. In what way was what you wrote an answer to what I wrote?

There you go with the "would have" again. They didn't, and that's all that counts.

Why didn't they? Because the original 7 seceding states rejected it. Slavery forever rejected by the Southern states. That's all that counts.

Name? I suspect he was killed in the cross fire.

Nope. Murdered in cold blood. https://www.answers.com/Q/Who_was_the_first_person_killed_in_the_raid_at_Harper's_ferry

I don't excuse human traffickers in any form or from any area, but it's the buyers who create the market. Without the buyers there would be no human trafficking, and I apply that to today's buyers as well.

This is a silly tangent. Acts of war are only committed against countries or the citizens of countries, not individuals. Next, the slaves that were sold were enslaved by other Africans. Next, it was Yankee slave traders who sailed there and bought those slaves.

Lee opposed slavery but didn't think the time was right to end it.

A position not unlike Lincoln's.

He toured the US twice, in 1842 and after the CW. In 1842 he made some stops in the South and was so sickened by slavery that he cancelled his tour in the South. Here's more. Charles Dickens, America, & The Civil War

Dickens inveighed against slavery consistently including while in the Southern states. So much for the claim that nobody could speak out against slavery in the South.

That was the constitution the voters in Kansas voted to replace in 1858.

And yet that was the original constitution of the state. BTW, other Northern states were adopting more and greater restrictions against Blacks at the same time that Kansas dropped its formal ban on Blacks ever settling there.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Correct. Republicans were not abolitionists pre-war. Explicitly not abolitionists.

You've provided anecdotal accounts. I accept those eyewitness accounts as valid, but it wasn't on the scale that escaped and served in the North.

I accept that more eventually did serve in the Union armies....though I will note that plenty were forced to join as the Union army conquered various areas and came across slaves whom they pressed into service. The point is that many thousands of Blacks both slave and free served and indeed fought in the Confederate Army by numerous eyewitness accounts from the Union side. Any claims that only a few served or that there were only 7 eyewitness accounts of such like that book claims are simply false.

I'll give you a hint. "Strike One!"

spell it out. Be specific.

627 posted on 11/12/2021 8:53:18 AM PST by FLT-bird
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