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To: FLT-bird
Did it occur to you that slavery was not the reason...

No, because they said it was at least in part about slavery, and they held on to their slaves until forced to release them.

and that had it been so the original 7 seceding states could have simply accepted Lincoln's offer of slavery forever by express constitutional amendment?

Lincoln had nothing to offer because with few exceptions the Northern states wouldn't ratify it even knowing the alternative. It was Lucy with the football. Unlike you, the South didn't keep kicking away at nothing.

No, that was not John Brown's aim. He wanted a murderous race war and hoped to start one. The first person he murdered was a free Black man but hey, why let inconvenient facts get in the way......

If you're referring to what I think you're referring to then it was a result of the fire fight. I'll let you fill in the details first.

I won't argue about whether it was the right way to go about this, but taking slaves was the real act of war.

You have expressed your disgust with the South's stance on slavery in words that left me with no doubt about your sincerity on the issue. If you had lived in the Confederacy and expressed those views, you would have been seen as an abolitionist, and you would have been assaulted or lynched.

You can cite no abolitionists winning elections so instead you try to pass off Kansas discarding the total exclusion of Blacks in the state constitution as some kind of proof of this great abolitionist movement? LOL! This is getting too easy indeed.

So let's see, they didn't elect abolitionists even though they elected representatives who would abolish the original constitution preventing abolition. Got it, thanks for clearing that up.

See above. Abolitionists could not get elected and the Northern states were still adopting exclusionary and highly discriminatory laws even during the war.

There was nothing above but what you were repeating.

They did not serve as slaves. They served as Confederate soldiers.

Black Confederates: Truth and Legend

Also, you realize there were plenty of freedmen in the Confederate Army too right?

Define plenty.

and I should add repeat, the only reason the Northern states did not ratify the Corwin Amendment was because the original 7 seceding states had already rejected it. It was by the time they could have ratified it, a moot point.

Fixed.

620 posted on 11/10/2021 2:56:22 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
No, because they said it was at least in part about slavery, and they held on to their slaves until forced to release them.

Yet even the original 7 seceding states turned down slavery forever by express constitutional amendment. The later 5 seceding states only left once Lincoln chose to start a war. Neither side freed its slaves until after the war.

Lincoln had nothing to offer because with few exceptions the Northern states wouldn't ratify it even knowing the alternative. It was Lucy with the football. Unlike you, the South didn't keep kicking away at nothing.

Au Contraire. It was a very legitimate offer. It passed the Northern dominated Congress with the necessary supermajority. In all likelihood the Northern states would have ratified what their elected representatives and senators in Congress voted for.

If you're referring to what I think you're referring to then it was a result of the fire fight. I'll let you fill in the details first.

The first person John Brown and his band of terrorists murdered was a Free Black man.

I won't argue about whether it was the right way to go about this, but taking slaves was the real act of war.

The ones who took slaves were the Yankee Slave Traders.

You have expressed your disgust with the South's stance on slavery in words that left me with no doubt about your sincerity on the issue. If you had lived in the Confederacy and expressed those views, you would have been seen as an abolitionist, and you would have been assaulted or lynched.

There were well known abolitionists in the South. Lee was one of them. Dickens who was a well known abolitionists spoke publicly and quite freely on the issue while touring the South.

So let's see, they didn't elect abolitionists even though they elected representatives who would abolish the original constitution preventing abolition. Got it, thanks for clearing that up.

No, the original constitution prevented Black people from living in that state. Not slaves, Black people. Yes, including free ones.

There was nothing above but what you were repeating.

Abolitionists could not win elections in the North pre war.

Black Confederates: Truth and Legend

As already discussed, this "source" is a joke. I've already provided enough quotes to show some of its key claims were false.

Define plenty.

According to the quotes and sources I've posted, thousands.

and I should add repeat, the only reason the Northern states did not ratify the Corwin Amendment was because the original 7 seceding states had already rejected it. It was by the time they could have ratified it, a moot point. Fixed.

What did you change?

622 posted on 11/10/2021 5:46:33 PM PST by FLT-bird
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