Did it occur to you that slavery was not the reason, and that had it been so the original 7 seceding states could have simply accepted Lincoln's offer of slavery forever by express constitutional amendment?
How horrible, having your slaves taken away from you by force.
No, that was not John Brown's aim. He wanted a murderous race war and hoped to start one. The first person he murdered was a free Black man but hey, why let inconvenient facts get in the way......
"A few stubborn proponents of the Topeka Constitution refused to abandon their document, but overall the abolitionists were eager to start over and make the most of their opportunity." This is getting too easy, are you pulling our leg?
You can cite no abolitionists winning elections so instead you try to pass off Kansas discarding the total exclusion of Blacks in the state constitution as some kind of proof of this great abolitionist movement? LOL! This is getting too easy indeed.
One was abolished by representatives elected by the voters even though abolitionists never can close to getting elected according to you, and the other was never enforced. Of course there were discriminatory laws, but the direction the slaves escaped to tells the story.
See above. Abolitionists could not get elected and the Northern states were still adopting exclusionary and highly discriminatory laws even during the war.
Serving as slaves is not logistics.
They did not serve as slaves. They served as Confederate soldiers. Also, you realize there were plenty of freedmen in the Confederate Army too right?
I see you have no answer to the FACT that many thousands of Blacks served quite willingly in the Confederate Army. All you can do is try to keep citing the same BS source that makes ridiculous claims like there being only 7 eyewitness accounts of Black Confederates (I've already provided far more)....or which makes the false claim that Blacks could not legally serve in the Confederate Army (they could and did via several Confederate states.....and Confederate Officers in the field simply ignored the Confederate Congress in any event and inducted any Black man who would agree to serve, etc. In short, this source is laughable.
No, because they said it was at least in part about slavery, and they held on to their slaves until forced to release them.
and that had it been so the original 7 seceding states could have simply accepted Lincoln's offer of slavery forever by express constitutional amendment?
Lincoln had nothing to offer because with few exceptions the Northern states wouldn't ratify it even knowing the alternative. It was Lucy with the football. Unlike you, the South didn't keep kicking away at nothing.
No, that was not John Brown's aim. He wanted a murderous race war and hoped to start one. The first person he murdered was a free Black man but hey, why let inconvenient facts get in the way......
If you're referring to what I think you're referring to then it was a result of the fire fight. I'll let you fill in the details first.
I won't argue about whether it was the right way to go about this, but taking slaves was the real act of war.
You have expressed your disgust with the South's stance on slavery in words that left me with no doubt about your sincerity on the issue. If you had lived in the Confederacy and expressed those views, you would have been seen as an abolitionist, and you would have been assaulted or lynched.
You can cite no abolitionists winning elections so instead you try to pass off Kansas discarding the total exclusion of Blacks in the state constitution as some kind of proof of this great abolitionist movement? LOL! This is getting too easy indeed.
So let's see, they didn't elect abolitionists even though they elected representatives who would abolish the original constitution preventing abolition. Got it, thanks for clearing that up.
See above. Abolitionists could not get elected and the Northern states were still adopting exclusionary and highly discriminatory laws even during the war.
There was nothing above but what you were repeating.
They did not serve as slaves. They served as Confederate soldiers.
Black Confederates: Truth and Legend
Also, you realize there were plenty of freedmen in the Confederate Army too right?
Define plenty.
and I should add repeat, the only reason the Northern states did not ratify the Corwin Amendment was because the original 7 seceding states had already rejected it. It was by the time they could have ratified it, a moot point.
Fixed.