That argument was never proposed in 1788, or at any other time before most or all of our Founders passed away.
And it is specious to the max when applied to 1860, since there was literally nothing then that legally amounted to anything more than unilateral secession at pleasure.
When our Founders talked about "necessary" and "injury or oppression", they were referring back to conditions on their 1776 Declaration, not to just a political faction losing an election.
FLT-bird: "Oh you mean in the 1820s? LOL!
Firstly what the STATES agreed to at the time is what is relevant.
They were the ones who were actually parties to the contract.
What does not matter is the opinion of the Madison 40 years later."
Of course, you don't think the opinions of the Father of the Constitution -- Madison -- matter because you're a Democrat and Democrats hated the Constitution from Day One -- they voted against ratification, supported nullifications, slavery, secession & war against the United States.
So naturally, you disagree with Madison.
But here's an inconvenient fact which you can easily verify yourself: no Founder at any time ever explicitly disagreed with Madison's opinions as expressed here.
Remember: Madison is totally OK with "secession" by mutual consent or by "usurpations or abuses of power justly having that effect."
Note his word "justly".
But Madison opposes unilateral "secession" at pleasure and I have never seen where any Founder disputes that.
Nor have I seen where merely losing an election would be considered anything more than "at pleasure" to our Founders, any Founders.
Nor have you.
See "Declaration of Independence." The details are all laid out there.
The short version is this: Independence is a right.
That is false. Each colony decided for itself whether or not to declare independence from the British Empire. The sovereign states had nowhere agreed to surrender their right to do exactly what they had done 15 years earlier. Nowhere in the express declarations of the right to "resume the powers of government" did any state say anything about needing some kind of permission slip from others.
When our Founders talked about "necessary" and "injury or oppression", they were referring back to conditions on their 1776 Declaration, not to just a political faction losing an election.
They were referencing whatever they themselves felt sufficient injury or oppression to reassume the powers of government they delegated to the federal government. They set no standard for themselves they would have to meet in order to exercise their right to secede.
Of course, you don't think the opinions of the Father of the Constitution -- Madison -- matter because you're a Democrat and Democrats hated the Constitution from Day One -- they voted against ratification, supported nullifications, slavery, secession & war against the United States. So naturally, you disagree with Madison.
You are wrong on literally every count here. I am not and never have been a Democrat. The Democrats did not exist as a party until Andrew Jackson who came along long after the constitution was ratified. And no. The opinion of Madison decades later doesn't matter. He was not a party to the contract. The States were the parties to the contract. What they agreed to at the time of contracting is what matters.
But here's an inconvenient fact which you can easily verify yourself: no Founder at any time ever explicitly disagreed with Madison's opinions as expressed here. Remember: Madison is totally OK with "secession" by mutual consent or by "usurpations or abuses of power justly having that effect."
Jefferson expressly disagreed and felt states did have the right to secede. Does that really matter? No. Neither Jefferson nor Madison were parties to the contract - the states were. It was what they agreed to that matters. They expressly reserved the right to unilateral secession at the time of ratification of the constitution.
Note his word "justly". But Madison opposes unilateral "secession" at pleasure and I have never seen where any Founder disputes that.
I have posted the quotes from Jefferson numerous times. I'm not going to bother doing so yet again. Feel free to look them up for yourself.
Nor have I seen where merely losing an election would be considered anything more than "at pleasure" to our Founders, any Founders. Nor have you.
Nor does it matter whether you personally think a state justified in exercising its right to unilateral secession. What the legislature/citizens of that state think is all that matters. They have the right to exercise that state's sovereign power by seceding.